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[Water Set] Silver #256 - Billion To One
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sirichj
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Where are you satoshi?

The thing that's confusing me is that MC said Satoshi had agreed to appear on the card, this made me think he was either;

a - Famous - which he can't be otherwise we would have either been able to google him or someone would have recognised him by now OR

b - Chosen by MC. I wondered if he is reknowned in a particular field like anthropology or social studies and was using this as his own personal experiment or something. I don't buy the idea that Satoshi just sent his picture in and said "Hey guys I've got a cool puzzle, put my picture on a card and get people to try and find me". Obviously this may be the case but it just seems a little too obscure even for MC.

Yes, MC said he was not related to any MC employee or had anything to do with MC (company) but that doesn't mean that someone who works there doesn't know him, or he could be a friend of a friend of someone who works for MC.

My only other speculative observation is that I doubt Satoshi is in the UK as there are a lot of websites about him and plenty of pictures in circulation over here, as for other countries I don't know. Maybe if we could find out the general concensus as to what is going on elsewhere it might help us to see where we need to concentrate our efforts on spreading the word.

Lastly guys, I think the Kaysersberg thing is a dead end after reading what's been said and with no comeback from anyone there. The picture was probably a holiday pic or something, somewhere obscure completely unrelated to the puzzle. Bearing in mind the nature of the card and the way MC want us to find the solution, it wouldn't matter where the picture was taken and I'm sure MC wouldn't want to give us a clue in that way if they want the six degrees of separation approach to be tested effectively, it just wouldn't make sense to tell us where to start.

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Really if they intended Kayserberg to never be revealed as the pic location, It may be that 6 degrees is the only approach they intend on us using.

I wouldnt discount other methods, but lets follow that line of thinking.

I would say in the information age we just need to push out his face to every corner of the earth.

TV is a good option. Public TV, or even popular TV stations, for instance Tech TV.(ZDTV) ... this the bigger the viewing audience the better, of course. Of course getting something on TV usually takes cash. But it wouldnt hurt to offer the concept to the techie shows, they like this kind of stuff. I know each country has its own station system. We would need to hit many of them to get a real result.

Next is the Internet. We are already working on this. But perhaps another mailing is in order? Despite its lack of legality... the B2O-Virus was an idea. A Bad one... but an idea. a little window that popped up with Satoshi
and asked "do you know me?" and a link to the page. Of course we could do the same in a pop-up ad. Course spyware or virus, its still forcing people to look at something they arent interested in. Which isnt really very cool.

Making the chain letter easier to forward might be a good idea. I had an idea. Put a link in the email, that forwards you to a page that allows you to send out an email from that page. Some chain letters use that method. No forwarding, you just go to a page put in your email, the email of the person you want to send it to, and off it goes. And in that email is a link for that person to do the same thing. It makes the whole process idiot proof.
The problem... you end up having to run your own email server. Of course you could allow people to host mirrors, put them all over the place and then split the processing load up to several servers owned by us players.

That way its all automated, no one pays a ton of server bandwidth costs, and we can really start to pump out the emails to the world. It would also give us the opportunity to tally the email addresses weve sent out. Once we start to approach 1 million emails and up to 10 mil emails, we would really start to see how far we have spread Satoshi's image around. Hell you could even watch the IP's and get a general map of how far weve spread the Satoshi Sickness Smile ... It would also give us holes in our search and show us where we still need to infect.

Myspace has a nice world wide IP tracker, you just slip a small piece of code into the page you want to track and it gives you IP listings and a map of hits on the earth. Very easy to use. No link right off hand. Sry.

Just a few ideas. ... back to work.

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We've done something similar to the email idea:
http://www.billion2one.org/?lang=en&o=email

However the trick is getting people to forward it (even the promise of money doesn't seem to be working)... So far the fall-off is dreadful...

Level Percent Total Unique
1 24.96% 178 100%
2 66.2% 472 97.25%
3 8.84% 63 100%

Let's hope someone who finds the cube and claims the $100,000 is keen on finding Satoshi Smile
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Surely MC must have known how difficult this would be, if we all email 5 people what's the likelihood they will, what is their incentive?

What do you usually do when you receive an email that says, "pass this on to 5 of your friends etc", well I normally delete it lol so if we are going to use the SDOS approach then basically we're screwed lol.

The people we email will probably have no idea about what we're trying to do and will not get anything out of it, so why do it ? That's the problem Confused

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Yes, the six degrees of seperation theory is a problem. Sending out any form of communication unsolicited is considered as spam these days. The six degrees may well mean us to personally ask people that we know and show them the photo...people who live in areas that might possibly be his home location. I personally think he lives in London. He probably runs a chinese restaurant (No offence is meant to be taken) down the road from Mind Candy offices. I do believe that the only way we will find this man is either by accident, or by involving the media. Has anyone approached a radio or magazine with this puzzle? (Puts on list of things to do)
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I don't know if anyone saw http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=32499&in_page_id=34 but it seems slightly similar to what we are doing (hunting for a random man) maybe the metro would take our story? They ran this one (and it worked!)

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Satoshi

jaikaiman wrote:
Yes, the six degrees of seperation theory is a problem. Sending out any form of communication unsolicited is considered as spam these days. The six degrees may well mean us to personally ask people that we know and show them the photo...people who live in areas that might possibly be his home location. I personally think he lives in London. He probably runs a chinese restaurant (No offence is meant to be taken) down the road from Mind Candy offices. I do believe that the only way we will find this man is either by accident, or by involving the media. Has anyone approached a radio or magazine with this puzzle? (Puts on list of things to do)


Problem is we have no idea at all where he lives, we don't even know what continent it is never mind which country lol IMHO I doubt he lives in the UK as I said before, we seem to have lots of exposure and coverage here and I guess if he is here we would have found him by now, so where to start ? I thought about trying the Sun newspaper but doubt they would go for it, especially as we can't be sure he is even in this country. Anyone else got any ideas apart from us all chipping in and paying about 100 grand for some tv adverts lol

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Buddhist monk?

Ok here's an Idea from left field...

What if Satoshi is a wise Buddhist monk (who occasionally likes European holidays and has an abiding interest in sociology)?

Wha? I hear you say...

Well, if you look on the Wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations
then there is a huge range of figures for the Buddhist population of our lonely planet:

Quote:
* Buddhism - 384 million (2006 est., CIA)[1]

Adherents sometimes give much higher figures for example:

* Buddhism - 1.6 billion [1]


There is a website called

http://www.onebillionwait.org/

Quote:
One billion people ...

... live in the shadow of Buddha.


Could this be another signifier of "Billion to one"? You would not want Tibet at those odds ( Embarassed apologies for that).

If Satoshi is a Buddhist monk, he could live in some sort of monastic retreat away from the hubbub and hurly-burly of life in a cuffuffle-free existence. Though he would be expecting us...

Anyone going to Tibet on their holidays?

Just thought I'd share my latest musings.
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Buddha? I'd love one lol

The Four Noble Truths
Main article: The Four Noble Truths
According to the scriptures, the Buddha taught that in life there exists sorrow / suffering which is caused by desire and it can be cured (ceased) by following the Noble Eightfold Path (Sanskrit: Ārya 'aṣṭāṅga Mārgaḥ , Pāli: Ariyo Aṭṭhaṅgiko Maggo). This teaching is called the Catvāry Āryasatyāni (Pali: Cattāri Ariyasaccāni), the "Four Noble Truths".

Suffering: Birth is suffering, aging is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering; union with what is displeasing is suffering; separation from what is pleasing is suffering; not to get what one wants is suffering; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering.
The cause of suffering: The desire which leads to renewed existence (rebirth) (the cycle of samsara)
The cessation of suffering: The cessation of desire.
The way leading to the cessation of suffering: The Noble Eightfold Path;
According to the scriptures, the Four Noble Truths were the topic of the first sermon given by the Buddha after his enlightenment[6], which was given to the five ascetics with whom he had practiced austerities, and were originally spoken by the Buddha, not in the form of a religious or philosophical text, but in the form of a common medical prescription of the time.[citation needed]


[edit] The Noble Eightfold Path
Main article: Noble Eightfold Path

The eight-spoked Dharmachakra. The eight spokes represent the Noble Eightfold Path of Buddhism. According to a saying attributed in some traditions to the Buddha, if a person does not follow the goal of Total Realization, one lives one's life like a preoccupied child playing with toys in a house that is burning to the ground.[7]
The Noble Eightfold Path is the way to the cessation of suffering, the fourth part of the Four Noble Truths. This is divided into three sections: Sila (which concerns the physical bodily actions), Samadhi (which concerns the 'Conscious' mind) and Panna (which concerns the 'Unconscious' mind).

Sila is morality—abstaining from unwholesome deeds of body and speech. Within the division of sila are three parts of the Noble Eightfold Path:

Right Speech - One speaks in a non hurtful, not exaggerated, truthful way (samyag-vāc, sammā-vācā)
Right Actions - Wholesome action, avoiding action that would do harm (samyak-karmānta, sammā-kammanta)
Right Livelihood - One's way of livelihood does not harm in any way oneself or others; directly or indirectly (samyag-ājīva, sammā-ājīva)
Samadhi is developing mastery over one's own mind. Within this division are another three parts of the Noble Eightfold Path:

Right Effort/Exercise - One makes an effort to improve (samyag-vyāyāma, sammā-vāyāma)
Right Mindfulness/Awareness - Mental ability to see things for what they are with clear consciousness (samyak-smṛti, sammā-sati)
Right Concentration - Being aware of the present reality within oneself, without any craving or aversion. (samyak-samādhi, sammā-samādhi)
Panna is the wisdom which purifies the mind. Within this division fall two more parts of the Noble Eightfold Path:

Right Thoughts - Change in the pattern of thinking. (samyak-saṃkalpa, sammā-saṅkappa)
Right Understanding - Understanding reality as it is, not just as it appears to be. (samyag-dṛṣṭi, sammā-diṭṭhi)

Well according to that Satoshi can't be a Buddhist because of all of the pain and suffering he is causing us by trying to find him LOL Laughing

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Here's a thought

Just a thought but has anyone thought of putting a short video clip up on the youtubewebiste or other similar sites?
People tend to flick on to these sites all the time?
It may give more scope than we have at the moment...

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Re: Here's a thought

uk_judgement wrote:
Just a thought but has anyone thought of putting a short video clip up on the youtubewebiste or other similar sites?
People tend to flick on to these sites all the time?
It may give more scope than we have at the moment...


This was discussed on perplexorum by several people a while back, but whether or not anything was actually done and something posted on there I am not sure of.

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This could be taken up by one of the "lads mags", or possibly SFX magazine "very sci fi and fantasy". Might be worth firing off an email or two...or even a few posts in their forums might get the interest up.
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Full name?

I just had a thought, we know this guy's name is Satoshi but;

1 Could this be a shortened form of his name? This hasn't really been considered, maybe its Matsatoshi or Satoshita (you get the idea) or something like that. Does anyone have any idea of other lengthened names we could try to search around that contain Satoshi? Maybe someone Japanese or someone who knows Japanese may know of other similar names we could try?

2 Could Satoshi be his 'nickname'? Does anyone know if Satoshi stands for something else like 'Lettie' can be a 'nickname' for Scarlett or Violet (again you get the idea).

Just trying to think of things to try as the email approach seems to be grinding slowly to a halt (like my ideas lol)

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Well it looks like because of Digg I have gotten back into ARGs again...Damn you digg.

I saw this picture on the Find Satoshi project and thought you guys would already be right on here with this...

I have two places which I think we should try looking.

1. the Perplex city leader board...yes it is a long shot but he could of been chosen at random from the leader board (he could still be on there or his name/picture could of been removed if he was...but it is worth a shot.)

2. The way people want us to try and figure this out is by e-mailing everyone we know...and then getting them to e-mail everyone they know...chain letter without all the c- style to try and find him 3/4 connections away from us.

thank you for throwing me back into this crazy crazy world...30 hours before an exam.
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Shaded Spriter wrote:

1. the Perplex city leader board...yes it is a long shot but he could of been chosen at random from the leader board (he could still be on there or his name/picture could of been removed if he was...but it is worth a shot.)

2. The way people want us to try and figure this out is by e-mailing everyone we know...and then getting them to e-mail everyone they know...chain letter without all the c- style to try and find him 3/4 connections away from us.


I like the idea of number 1, but are there any pictures we could check? Otherwise I don't fancy trawling through the 50000 plus registered people.

As for number 2 we've already done that and we're not getting very far. Has anyone done or found anything out about the youtube idea??

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