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[PUZZLE??] How to "test" what AI Man's purpose is?
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amiantos
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Mirrored from the other thread

It's obvious that we are going for something specific here... And it's obvious she knows what it is and is just waiting for one of us to "get it" given the data recieved, I think my conclusion is the most obvious choice and so far it looks like I'm definitely on the right track. w00t for me.

I especially enjoyed her compliment about my thoughts needing to be reread. I got all warm and fuzzy feeling. Wink

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Brad: Do you think it would be helpful if someone were to try to go to some of the places you have listed on your site or are those mainly just for reference for yourself?
bethlmcconnell: Those were mainly reference for myself.
bethlmcconnell: I'm still not sure of where they all are.
Brad: Just making sure. I can't really help otherwise. Do you think the coords hold any special meaning?
Brad: I understand that he talks normally now so I'll assume it's unlikely.
Brad: Might sound like an odd question, or maybe a dumb one, but does he have any idea why he can't remember his purpose or why he was broken?
bethlmcconnell: No, he doesn't and that seems to bother him. He's mentioned that several times.
Brad: I'm working on wrapping my brain around what sort of purpose he'd have. He can effect the area around him for periods of time and translocate. Has he dropped any other hints, said things that seem odd, like the line about "how everything is at it is perceived"?
Brad: Can he effect you, personally? I don't know how willing you'd be to test that, but you should see if he has any control over actual animals/persons. That might give insight to his purpose.
Brad: I have a pretty good idea of his purpose, maybe, but I need to know a few other things first, I don't want to just blurt it out unless I have to...
Brad: Was he able to stop time, possibly? IE: keep you out of the loop and freeze everything else?
Brad: What makes him or you or us think that when we "figure out" his purpose, he will accept it? What if he doesn't like his purpose? What is the point of figuring out what his point was if he already knows what he can do? If he is running from something, why is he doing it?
Brad: Did you know Thomas Anderson?
Brad: Hello? Beth? Earth to Beth? Have you dropped off the face of the earth?
Brad: Get back to me whenever you have a minute, I really don't mind.

--- HUGE TWO HOUR GAP ---

bethlmcconnell: yikes. I just found a whole mess of hidden windows and yours was one
bethlmcconnell: i'm sorry about that
bethlmcconnell: I need to learn to keep a close things i'm not using!
Brad: haha, it's OK, luckily I'm not sitting here hanging on everything you said, otherwise i'd be very angry Wink
bethlmcconnell: and I only found it because I was closing everything down to go to bed
bethlmcconnell: well i wouldn't want you to be angry!
Brad: I don't think me being angry would effect you in any way, regardless Wink
bethlmcconnell: but i'm absolutely exhausted and have a feeling tomorrow is going to be a big day
Brad: well then I'll let you go, unless you just wanna give some yes/nos to the questions above first, it's alright either way.
bethlmcconnell: well no, it probably wouldn't effect me
bethlmcconnell: but it would still be not so nice
bethlmcconnell: i'll give a couple answers
bethlmcconnell: let me scroll up and see what all is there
bethlmcconnell: you may even get more than a yes/no
Brad: I already know the "no" to thomas anderson unless you have any other lights to shed on that one... if you even knew of him or not or the events surounding his transfer
bethlmcconnell: I just don't recognize the name
bethlmcconnell: I might have seen him around, but who knows
bethlmcconnell: people are coming and going all the time
Brad: yeah
Brad: sounds likely, didn't expect much more of an answer
bethlmcconnell: as for him effecting me personally
bethlmcconnell: my sense of smell was mine
bethlmcconnell: but i wasn't able to determine if it was done to me or if it was done to an area that i happened to be a part of
Brad: he wasn't able/willing to communicate that to you, whether it was him doing it to you or the surroundings? another one of those "percieve" comments?
Brad: eeh, I wont load anymore questions on you, you'll be around tomorrow I assume, hopefully with more data
bethlmcconnell: he didn't tell me and i didn't think to ask at the time
bethlmcconnell: i'll be around tomorrow
bethlmcconnell: and hopefully use some of the info from tonight to figure out some tests to run
bethlmcconnell: time is definitely something that i'm interested in seeing
Brad: welp, have a good night, and keep safe.... do you have any last comments about what sort of tests you're looking for? this is really hard, considering... time! I asked if he was able to stop time... ?
Brad: or is that just something you plan to ask?
bethlmcconnell: well it would be important to know if he could affect time in any way
bethlmcconnell: time and memory
Brad: I'm a pretty deep thinker, but what you're giving me/us to go on is sort of bare... very non-specific... not that I assume you know much more than you're telling, but...
bethlmcconnell: sort of bare? it's completely bare
Brad: Well, I have a pretty good idea pertaining to that... but it relies on what knowledge you have of other events.
bethlmcconnell: i headed up here without thinking at all about it
bethlmcconnell: which is something that I never do
Brad: What do you know of the Nekodas? Dina (who wrote that song) and Ethan?
bethlmcconnell: I just know Dina's music
Brad: Well, it seems to them that they were at one time different people, who have had their memories erased and reprogrammed, and have been relocated.... My idea was that the AI man might have had some part in that.
Brad: I mean... what other use could someone have with a construct that could possibly stop time/edit reality for short periods of time, and translocate?
Brad: I don't know what the bigger picture is, or why it happened, but that makes the most since to me... and if he could literally stop time and possibly edit people much in the way he can do it to reality... that could be his purpose... although that is a lot to put onto one construct.... I would assume the "person manipulation" would be a different construct, since that sounds like a highly specialized task.
Brad: Sorry to lay this all onto you at once right before bed, but it's all I could do from bursting from within.
Brad: With you searching for missing people, (to some extent, at least wondering where they are), a construct of that nature finding you would have to be more that coincidence.
bethlmcconnell: your thoughts need to be reread several times
bethlmcconnell: i like that
Brad: Thank you
Brad: As for ways to test that out... I think having him play with your memory in some small way would be a key... Asking him to put himself possibly in a childhood memory would be a good start. If he can't do that, then that knocks off the idea of him being able to "reprogram" memories.
Brad: And freezing time is an obvious test, since in a person relocation, manipulating time would be more important than manipulating reality in some way, especially for such short periods of time (unless the time limit is a symptom of the loss of memory).
Brad: OK, I think I'm done.
bethlmcconnell: right
bethlmcconnell: i'm thinking that i want to test him giving me a memory
bethlmcconnell: and taking one away
bethlmcconnell: because affect is one thing, the way it is affected is another
Brad: Yeah, definitely sounds like a good start.
Brad: Has anyone else had any really helpful suggestions? Assuming mine have been helpful...
bethlmcconnell: yours have been helpful
bethlmcconnell: several people brought up memory, which I hadn't considered
Brad: Oh well, if I can be any further help or if there is anything else that needs brain storming, give me a hollar, or I'll find you in some way. Have a good night if that is where you're heading still, I'm fresh out of ideas for now, I think, until more data comes in.
bethlmcconnell: yes, i'm still working on getting there
bethlmcconnell: i'm about braindead
bethlmcconnell: i'm almost always on, so feel free to msg me if you get any great brainstorm
Brad: You've made a lot of people braindead tonight, I think, haha.
bethlmcconnell: or if you just want to chat
Brad: Will do, for sure.
Brad: Haha, cool... I was gonna ask you if you've seen any good movies lately or read any good books, but I didn't figure you've had time Wink
bethlmcconnell: Smile
bethlmcconnell: i have a stack of books waiting to be attacked
bethlmcconnell: we'll see if I ever get through the first chapter on any of them
Brad: hopefully you'll have a chance to get to them whenever whatever-this-is boils over.
bethlmcconnell: here's hoping
bethlmcconnell: but until then. good night
bethlmcconnell: i hope to chat again soon
Brad: hope so too, night!


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I find it interesting that AI man perked up at the idea of showing her Paris, and off they went. And then she takes everything in, gets the coords from him, and off they go again, and she's all in a flurry of fun and excitement and recording everything.

Then they get back to the campsite and start talking about human friendships. I can't think of any test that has to do with this, but I just find it interesting that he appears to be so interested in humans and what they're like.

I mean, if he was just a glitch maintenance guy, he probably wouldn't care. "We have cleanup in sector 7!" and then he gets his coveralls on, grabs his toolkit, does the cleanup, with hardly a glance at anyone else. That's not what he's like. He appeared interested in showing, expressing, informing...and he was also gathering his own information about friendships.

Anyway. It's late at night. Just what I noticed.

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Sounds a bit like Data from the Next Generation doesn't he? He sounds almost as if he wants to become human; unless he's trying to learn about the intricacies of human nature for some other reason that we have yet to fathom.

EDIT: I assume then that we are waiting now to see what results/conclusions (if any) Beth is going to come up with as a result of the tests we suggested? I'm just wondering because, although that whole flood of information last night was exhausting, I'm also slightly impatient! Wink
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King Mob wrote:
Sounds a bit like Data from the Next Generation doesn't he?


I was thinking about that last night. AI Man seemingly has very limited knowledge, though, at this point.

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I liked whoever's idea it was to ask him if he could change her memory.

Also, I told Beth to ask AI Man if he considered her to be a friend, and why... I thought that might be interesting. She never did answer me regarding that one.

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hi all!

Im in this nice ARG more as a spectator(damn university!! Wink ) but here's my little contribution to this virtual world

A little -interresting?- test that could be done with our AI man. Maybe someone already pointed it out...

Beth wants to know if the AI can affect human memories. A simple test would be to ask him to give Beth the ability to speak/write/understand a language ( let say French or Greek or anything else) she doesnt know.

Then, she could have a little chat with us to comfirm this new "skill"....

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TheGreenRabbit wrote:
hi all!

Im in this nice ARG more as a spectator(damn university!! Wink ) but here's my little contribution to this virtual world

A little -interresting?- test that could be done with our AI man. Maybe someone already pointed it out...

Beth wants to know if the AI can affect human memories. A simple test would be to ask him to give Beth the ability to speak/write/understand a language ( let say French or Greek or anything else) she doesnt know.

Then, she could have a little chat with us to comfirm this new "skill"....


It sure would be useful to us if someone here could understand Greek!

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Mendax XIII wrote:
Is this our guy?

"When the Matrix was first built there was a man born inside that had the ability to change what he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was this man that freed the first of us and taught us the secret of the war; control the Matrix and you control the future."



Laughing
Well, why doesn't somebody chatting with Beth next time suggest that she describe the guy in detail?
As far as I remember (though it may be not that far at all) the guy you mention was the first The One. The other five came after him (incarnations?).
Who knows, maybe the "Strange Man" is our good friend Thomas Anderson? After all, we've already seen him lost in a limbo, not really knowing how he got there or how he was suppopsed to get out Wink
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I think Beth just needs to e-mail to the AI man (rootSPLATlittle-boxes.net) and ask him what is his purpose?
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An idea...

[EXTREME SPEC]
It's been noted by various people (including Beth) that our "Friend" seems to be extremely interested in how humans perceive things. Could it be that, instead of what he has been telling our heroine, he is actually designed to investigate human perception with a view to finding a way of fooling the human mind into believing that the world is other than it actually is? You can probably see where I'm going with this... I'm just thinking that everything that Beth has experienced could be explained in terms of having her perception altered, rather than reality being changed in any way.
[/SPEC]

Starting to ramble now, but the question is - if this is his function, how do we test it?

End of ramble.

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That would be some optical illusions, Flynn!
If that is AI Man's purpose - and I'm not saying it is - then potentially Beth could use a recording device of some kind - such as a video camera - and record AI Man doing something extraordinary. But then again, presumably, AI Man's creators would have thought of this possiblity - assuming it's his purpose - and thus included technology into his body so as to enable him to 'fool' recording devices as well. In which case, there probably isn't much of way we could test to determine if this is indeed his true purpose (pretty nefarious and underhanded though if it is!).
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An interesting link about artificial life:

http://www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~icg/topics/alife/alife.shtml

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Quote:

That would be some optical illusions, Flynn!


Well, yeah, but it is only spec Very Happy I wasn't just thinking optical though, more full sensory illusion. You never know... You make a good point about how we prove it though - if the AI is well designed, then it can affect not only Beth but the equipment she's carrying. You're right, very nefarious. All we have to do is find a way round it - if any of this is any more than so much marsh gas, of course Wink

Oh, and Mainro - nice AI link. Have you ever seen Langtons Ant in action? Still freaks me out every time I run it!!

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Flynn wrote:
An idea...

[EXTREME SPEC]
It's been noted by various people (including Beth) that our "Friend" seems to be extremely interested in how humans perceive things. Could it be that, instead of what he has been telling our e, he is actually designed to investigate human perception with a view to finding a way of fooling the human mind into believing that the world is other than it actually is? You can probably see where I'm going with this... I'm just thinking that everything that Beth has experienced could be explained in terms of having her perception altered, rather than reality being changed in any way.
[/SPEC]

Starting to ramble now, but the question is - if this is his function, how do we test it?

End of ramble.


Yes, all of the things he has done could have been accomplished by changing Beth's perceptions (what couldn't?). I believe that is what he is doing, but I disagree that he is here to investigate humans. He genuinely seems to be a "lost AI", he realizes that his creators could be dangerous to Beth, and he tries to protect her. They have also both helped each other. If he turns out to be "evil"... I'll be ed at him...

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Marauder wrote:
If he turns out to be "evil"... I'll be ed at him...


Yeah, I don't think he's going to turn out to be evil... First he's been super nice to Beth, and tried to essentially 'protect' her, plus he also saved Texel.

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