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[SOLVED] Mystery Letter Number Combos
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Sylvia
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 [SOLVED] Mystery Letter Number Combos
Ready for specs -- it's Gronsfeld

edit: Moved from sticky to a normal topic and tagged with Puzzle.

We are now ready for specs. See this thread were it all started
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17942

So far we have: O1 T2 P3 G4 F5 W6

some have been found on the back of the letter while others have been found on the outside of the envelope.

So far they have been displayed in three fashions:


  • O1 -- O 1 -- O 1
  • T2 -- T 2 -- T 2
  • P3 -- P 3 -- P 3
  • G4 -- G 4 -- G 4
  • F5 -- F 5 -- G 5
  • W6 -- W 6 -- W 6


From bravil's post we learn that we are working with a Gronsfeld Cipher.

And so far I got NRMCAQ

here is some info to help with Gronsfeld:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=244179#244179

PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:55 pm
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Sylvia
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borrowed from the link above and reformatted for easier look up.
Code:

0 | A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z | 0
1 | Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y | 1
2 | Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X | 2
3 | X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W | 3
4 | W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V | 4
5 | V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U | 5
6 | U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T | 6
7 | T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S | 7
8 | S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R | 8
9 | R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q | 9


PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:31 pm
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Sylvia
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spec

if we use O1 T2 P3 G4 F5 W6 as the order for the letters O T P G F W and 1 8 0 2 8 7 as the numbers to decode the letters we get: N L P E X P

[edit] fixed see newb0y's post below

PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:25 pm
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newb0y
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Re: spec

Sylvia wrote:
if we use O1 T2 P3 G4 F5 W6 as the order for the letters O T P G F W and 1 8 0 2 8 7 as the numbers to decode the letters we get: N L P E B R


Bit confused - I get N L P E X P (8 characters back from F is X, 7 characters back from W is P)- or am I doing this completely wrong

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Sylvia
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you're right newb0y, i'm trying to do to many things at once again.

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brimstoner
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edit: Embarassed forget it. Still see below.
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brimstoner
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okay.. the core output email lists 180287, and I can see those six match up. But this does not yet give us a word. Any other ideas?
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Kuma
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I could find these word, but none of them seem relevant:

nonfat 152153 monads 252624 mopeds 250224
molder 254315 moneys 252274 logger 359015
monaco 252638 monger 252015 longer 352015

longes 352014 isobar 611555 impact 670633
loofas 351154 irides 627314 hogger 759015
jogger 559015 inject 666233 holden 754319

nonfat 152153 monads 252624 mopeds 250224
molder 254315 moneys 252274 logger 359015
monaco 252638 monger 252015 longer 352015

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newb0y
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Kuma - I guess you went through every possible combination of the letters to get to this list. Do you have a complete list that you could attach for us all to look at ?

Edit: Actually thinking about it that might be unlikely as there are about 1 million possible combinations - sorry !!

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newb0y
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Gronsfeld Grid

If the numbers following the letters give the order of the letters then the Gronsfeld Grid looks like this

0 O T P G F W
1 N S O F E V
2 M R N E D U
3 L Q M D C T
4 K P L C B S
5 J O K B A R
6 I N J A Z Q
7 H M I Z Y P
8 G L H Y X O
9 F K G X W N

which may help

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Standard procedure for Gronsfeld (just like any other substitution cipher) is to not use the same key digit twice. Whether Eva cares about this or not is a different matter of course..

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newb0y
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Other words I have found include:

glider 887135
glides 887134
folder 954315
holder 754315
golden 854319

golden is interesting as it doesn't have any repeat numbers.

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Axys Denyed
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A solve
and a strange video

So it came up in chat that some people were trying /NLPEXP.html at the end of Eva's URL. yanka pointed out that it didn't make much sense for it to be on her site when Eva didn't put the letters/numbers on the posters. I suggested we try it with the other sites and voila!
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Lola_66
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NICE!

Sounds like the audio is saying "searching for you"

EDIT: de-spoilered. yanka.
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Sylvia
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Way to go guys.
Way to go Bravil for finding the gronsfeld on the envelope.
Way to go Newb0y and me for finding/correcting N L P E X P.
Way to go Severn for finding the connection: NLPEXP stands for Neuro-Linguistic Programming EXPeriment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
Way to go Yanka for steering away from the wrong websites.
Way to go Axys Denyed for trying the right site http://www.subject180287.net/NLPEXP.html

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