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jonc · Veteran Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 144

[UPDATE] - Operation Bayonet - Triangulating radio messages

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:50 pm

Scott

I've got an exact location pinpointed. but the location is sort of an abstract set of coordinates, about 1050 meters off the ground. I'm putting together a nice set of diagrams showing the nature of the source.

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:24 pm

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jonc · Veteran Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 144

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**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:31 pm

Scott

okay, I've got a diagram established, i'll send it off to kurt.

The signal might be be coming fFrom some sort of signalling dish or something, and is between 1010 meters and 1110 meters off the ground.

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:38 pm

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bit1313

Scott - I have been working on this with my limited math skills.

Let me ask you a question.. are you assuming that the distance between rec 1 and 3 divided in half is the center of Ascendacy Point? (i.e. 1892.41/2 = 946.205)????

I have tried all sorts of triangle calc (even to the point of realizing that the distance between Rec1 and Rec3 at 1892.41 is based on the two altitudes and not a "straight shot".

Can help those of us that are math challenged understand?

Thanks!

bit1313

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:06 pm

Scott

I did not assuming anything about the location of ascendancy point. I thought it would be a little more central to the receivers, but actually no, it is not at all. The lines drawn on the map do not represent the actual data in any way.

I started by setting rec1 at 0,0,1200 then worked out rec4 and rec2 in relation to that. easy enough, since i didn't need to know angles yet. Then I placed rec3 in relation to rec4. Again, easy enough. Next I needed to do the hard part. Rotate rec2 around an axis defined by rec1, so it meets the correct distance fFrom rec4. This involved 3 arcs which i'm not sure can be described easily. his gave me the correct locations of rec1, rec2, and rec4. I could then place rec3 using the same 3 arc technique. Lastly, I made 4 large spheres and determined where they meet.

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:17 pm

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Re: Cosines of the times

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:14 pm

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**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:25 pm

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So, has anyone emailed Kurt yet?

If not, I'll do it.

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:46 pm

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jonc · Veteran Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 144

Just trying to understand the "volume" that you've generated.

How did you generate the volume? Are you presuming that there is some error +/- 0.01

Otherwise, surely with 4 spheres we would get a plane or a point, not a volume.

(gets out pen and paper + SOH CAH TOA Smile

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jonc

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:54 pm

Scott

if you look at my attachment above, in the upper left hand corner of the diagram is the shape of 4 spheres intersecting, labeled "Signal Shape". it is a 4 sided object in which each side and each edges curves. some more than others. it is a very thin wafer of space. it would be a much smaller location area if Rec1's distance were something slightly less than 646.12.

**Posted:** Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:20 pm

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**Posted:** Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:13 am

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cjr22 · Boot Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 58

Exact answer?

**Posted:** Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:48 am

Scott

hm, interesting. Well I'm completely certain my rec points are right. I'm supposing my method of fFinding the intersection of spheres is insufficient. I'll take my humility and contemplate the matter.

**Posted:** Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:31 pm

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