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[Grey District] Dogma
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Agent Lex
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 		[Grey District] Dogma
Yay for new grey puzzle.

Quote:
As you may know, the Holy Faith United Church believes in the circular truth of all faiths. Like most churches, the cathedral has a document room down in the basement where we catalogue and evaluate the validity all sorts of documents, files, artifacts for the government that pertain to the history of religions and theology.

We likewise have a remote central database at the Wright Complex of this information about religions and faiths that can be used to access information. Recently, the central storage unit was damaged in by the odd fire there. We lost a lot of info in that fire, but a couple of the monastic brothers have been working hard to patch things up and get everything back where it belongs.

Below are seven bits of info that we were able to salvage, but they got separated from their location tags in the process and we don't know where in the system they belong. A lot of this information can't be found anywhere else, so we really need to save every single scrap that we can. Who knows what little detail will prove important one day.

Your task is to find the name of the religion or ideology that each of these bits of info belongs with. They got pretty scrambled, so good luck placing them.


Code:
(1)

+:code error: [ :code error: ] ++ [lock] lock unlock ".liminating
Dogmatism. unlock unlock ".Formalism and Establishing." error error
".ological Wor\\ error lock.++


(2)

+error.readerror. [error[ahavira] unlock\\lock + {:code read //
error:} do not: lock :consider themselves to be {read lock}
\\[n]error\\[ude] read\\- they [ :code error: ]are we{++error}lock
permissions lock{ arin} g the enviro {:lock\\unlock permissions
++:}nment\\end read++


(3)

+Frieslan\\error\\unlock{d}  {cannot read\\} [lock]Obbe Phi[lock]
{lock read: arried to Gertrud} end read permissions unlock\\cannot
unlock++


(4)

+olar system is mor\\error error [:code error:] 30 0 times olde\\ r
than mai\\ error [unlock error] [ :code error: ]nstream scien\\
{permissions set error}[multiple loss unlock] Fiv\\ e\\ [error] Tri\\
error bulati\o error \n\s[end read error][end read permissions]++


(5)

+{unlock error}{read error} \\ error \\ . \\error\\[:code error:]
{cannot unlock}on. {error}{error}{error} pril 17, 193 \\ {lock error}
5error++


(6)

+hearer Scho\\[ :code error: ]olho {error} {unlock error} {read error}
ival:error: \\ "up\\ per roo[{error} unlock error] \\.\\read error


(7)

+\\error read\\iaconate \\read error\\ lock {unlock} lock{anuary 11,
34{read error}7 - [ :code error: ]J[ :code error: ]a{error}[lock]uary
17, 395\\\\error. [read error]ouncil {lock error}rent++


(original image here)

Phew, that took a while to type. Anyway, google/wiki-ing for the bits that aren't "error" etc gives me a few so far.

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1) Juche - the text is the title of a speech, "On Eliminating Dogmatism and Formalism and Establishing Juche in Ideological Work"
2) Digambar - the text is a direct quote from the article, "They do not consider themselves to be nude -- they are wearing the environment."
3)
4) Chen Tao - the text is two quotes, "Added to that they believed the solar system is 4.5 trillion years old or roughly 300 times the age mainstream science gives for the entire Universe." and "They also believed that the Earth went through five tribulations going back to the age of the dinosaurs."
5) Unification. The date given is when Sun Myong Moon had a revelation from Jesus.
6) Church of God (Cleveland) (or probably just Church of God) - the text refers to the Shearer Schoolhouse Revival.
7)Christianity - The dates given are the lifetime of Theodosius I who made it the state religion of the Roman Empire


PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:10 pm
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echidna
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 		Nice work, Agent Lex Smile . Number 3 is
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Mennonite


The answers don't work yet though. I think we might need to be more specific. Number 7, for example, could be
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Nicene or Nicene Trinitarianism, which was the specific branch of Christianity that Theodosius introduced.

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morelaak
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 		Lex,

About Digambar...

There is not really enough difference between the two sects (digambar and svetambar) to warrant a separation under the main religion.

I think it's:

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Jainism


Morelaak

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morelaak
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 		you know, i think we have it pretty close...

But i still just wasted about 250 credits trying different combinations...

I really wish they would put in generalizations, you know, acceptable answers???

Geez...

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Agent Lex
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morelaak wrote:
Lex,

About Digambar...

There is not really enough difference between the two sects (digambar and svetambar) to warrant a separation under the main religion.


The only reason I specified Digambar is because the quote comes directly from the wikipedia article for Digambar, not from Jainism.

And I already tried Jainism a few times, too.

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morelaak
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 		ah, kk

(POSTLEVELING!!!!)

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 		 F##K!!
G^ddammit I just wasted 400 creds on this stupid puzzle! Using various combinations of: Juche; Jain and Jainism; Mennonite and Mennonitism; Chen Tao and UFOlogy; Unification Church, Unificationism and even Moonies; Church of God, Pentecostal, Protestantism and Protestant; Christianity, Catholicism, Catholic, Roman Catholicism, Nicene Christianity and Nicene Trinitarianism. Nothing I tried worked.
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echidna
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 		Re: F##K!!
VioletNightshade wrote:
G^ddammit I just wasted 400 creds on this stupid puzzle!
Seconded - I've also tried loads of variations of these with no luck. I'm sure we've found all the right religions/ideologies so it's very, very frustrating Cursing .

I think this shows a major flaw in the credits system. If they're going to be very picky about the answers they will accept then players are going to start shying away from trying answers in case they waste their credits needlessly.

For that matter, it seems that the Prestige system is wide open for abuse as well. The fact that you get a point of Prestige for every post you make on the forums means some players are spamming the forums with useless posts just for the sake of upping their Prestige. All-in-all I think the whole Credits/Prestige/Karma aspect of the game definitely has room for improvement.

Sorry, gone off topic a bit but just felt the need to vent a little Cursing .
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 		It's a bit obscure, but could 5 be Baha'i? I found the date on a letter... or is that too obscure? Certainly given the easier finds of the others...

I would try, but only have 25 credits! Surprised

Added: Also, I would agree about the pickiness. It seems tempting to enter the name of the religion/ideology, but should they all be amended to an -ism? The syntax is frustratingly ambiguous.
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James Stone
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 		I have tried the following with no success so far, and this paying to submit answers is a bit harsh!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
1. Juche
2. Digambar/Jaininsm/Jain Dharma
3. Anabaptist
4. Raëlism/Raelism
5. Unification/Church
6. Pentacostal/Pentecostal
7. Christianity

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Pied Piper
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 		Decoded parts of Dogma image
A couple of questions
I'm wondering if possibly anyone has done a completed transcript of the entire message. I'm thinking that possibly this may be a puzzle within a puzzle. Partly because a new item has been added to the IG FAQ, saying that the challenge statement for a puzzle should specify how precise one must be with a puzzle.

Secondly, with this puzzle within a puzzle in mind, we've got an image here. Has anyone tried to an unsteg on it? I'll probably try it, but since I just barely figured out how to do a simple version from a wikipedia page yesterday, I'm sure there are those here (such as echidna, from reading previous posts) who have much more experience than I. (I actually found it because I'm a letterboxer and am going to be planning a box soon which has shorthand clues and came across "stegnography" as a possible alternative to spelling of "stenography.")

Oh, and one more thing. The circle theme seems to be a huge part of the church IG. And there is also that circle with a line through it symbol on every friggin' page of the website. Could this be relevant as well? I checked out the brotherhood webpages, but didn't see anything significant there after a brief perusal.

Just a thought.

Oh, and VioletNightshade--my sympathies, and as a newbie I thank you from the bottom of my heart for using your credits to find the answers. And I thank the rest of you who've used up credits on this as well...

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 		Postleveling?
Sorry for the newbie flotsam...
Uh, morelaak? What did you mean by "postleveling"? As a newbie, I'm kind of confused. Dunce

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 		Further support for the stegnography theory
Sorry, just thought of this...
We've got two different versions of the image of the church--the one from the puzzle, and the other from a different link. I'm not sure how to compare the two, but I'm going to see if I can subtract one from the other, and see what I get...

Anybody who knows how to do this better than I, please help out on this one!
stajmeris.jpg
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stajmeris.jpg
dogma.jpg
 Description   Dogma church file
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dogma.jpg

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Pied Piper
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 		More answers that don't work
I decided to try Chuch'e for number one and also Kimilsungism, since both were mentioned in the wikipedia article. Neither worked.

Now I'm back down to eight credits...sob...

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 		Likewise I am down to 5 credits. This is not pleasant. For the record, in the end I did not try baha'i.
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