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Library of Babel - new flash & pictures!
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AnotherUselessPwn wrote:
And as for card #64 Hollywood Stars...I have found something that is very unusual about them, and I have checked all 4 that I own. In the shadow of the Y on the HOLLYWOOD sign there is a weird object that you can see when it is under a certain angle of light....Very much like the object that appears on card #220 Precision, in the lower left corner.


I've looked at all three that I have, in the best light and with the best magnification I have at home and there is definitely something there. Identical on all cards and in an identical position. It looks like a circular micro-dot type thingy with a country-type blob in the middle. Perhaps someone with better equipment or in a more helpful time-zone than 6.30pm on Sunday (ie less dark and at work) can add more detail.

On a different tack, my first thought about #064 when I posted on the previous page, was that it must be a major clue to the location of the cube.

Either Hollywood (LA), probably a bit obvious given the context of the card. Or one of the other 13 Hollywoods in the US. Or one of the 4 Hollywoods in the the UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_%28disambiguation%29

But the one that really appealed to me was Holly Wood Nature Reserve in Sandwell, Birmingham, UK. Obviously lots of trees and wooden things there. http://www.laws.sandwell.gov.uk/ccm/content/sandwelldirect/environmentdirect/countryside/hollywood.en
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dirt huntin'

well, i've spent my day learning all about dirt. there's a bunch of types, and out of the top 15 types of soil, it looks like the cube was put in Ultisols soil from best i can tell.
Andisols is volcanic ash soil
Aridisol 's not red enough
Enlisols -too brown
Gelisols - is frozen
Histisol - swamp
Oxisols & Vertisol - too clay like
spodosols-too gray
Inceptisols-too brown
mollisol - too black
alfisols is close but the colors off
(not rocky land, shifting sand or ice/glacier either)
farzicntell, it's gonna be here
http://soils.usda.gov/technical/classification/orders/images/ult.jpg
prove me wrong europe~!

oh yeah, theres also one of the largest Monarch butterfly Scantuary close to me in FL too. if scarlett;'s CT, i know she liked \festivels, we have a monarch fest there.
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Two things:

Is it possible from the string of letters that we have to identify an organism (eg a butterfly) with this RNA? Or does it not work like that? Because Biology isn't my speciality. It's just that the clues seem to be going backwards through the path that we (if we were ridiculously clever) should have gone: cards -> FRB becomes UUU -> RNA/molecules -> butterflies -> "The Most Noble". That leads me to the (prtobably erroneous) conclusion that the next step is a butterfly and all we have is this RNA sequence so... You get the idea. Just curious as to whether it's possible or not.

Secondly: "You will know which path to take when you find it, if you know who I am." Does this mean that CT's name is the final clue? Eg if Scarlett is CT (the obvious choice but the leaked emails still make me lean Violet's direction against all the other clues) then there would be a red path or "Scarlett's trail". Might make finding final location a little easier.

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Re knowing which path to take - that's pretty much what I thought it meant. I know some places mark trails according to things like length, difficulty, etc with different colours. I think that when we work out where this is, it'll be a woodland park type thing with different coloured trails, eg a red (or scarlet) trail, or a purple (violet) one.

The trouble is, thinking of all these things is making my brain suggest somewhere, but there's nothing definitive to tell us where this wretched place is. I can see how the place might fit in with at least some of the information, but there's nothing solid to make me think "yeah, that's it". And I'm not going traipsing around digging up acres of woodland just cos my brain can warp some details to fit. Grrrrr Mad
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Card META list

Here's a list of the meta on the cards in the animation:

29 - a shape, Letters F B
40 - a shape, risk stuff, letters U L
63 - a shape, letters A P
64 - no known meta For card info, see here
96 - a shape, letters N U
136 - a shape, letters D C
188 - a shape, letters I Y
191 - a shape, letters M E
192 - a shape, letters N B
218 - a shape, letters K L
235 - a shape, letters P D
237 - a shape, letters L O, otpaaworldtdnia 1.56.29
250 - a shape, letters K T
253 - a shape, letters I O

not included in animation:
58 - risk stuff, letters R P
60 - risk stuff, F H
90 - risk stuff, letters O S
94 - a shape, letters M L
156 - letters G I, also contains stones meta puzzle
203 - letters D I
222 - a shape, letters T E
236 - letters A A

Some observations:
    * #64 is the only card not containing a number string in the animation
    *except for #40, there are no puzzles with risk stuff in the animation
    * (besides #64) every card in the animation has a shape on it. In addition, there are only two cards with shapes on them (#94 and #222) are not in the animation.


So this raises the question - is there meta on card #64 that we haven't found yet? Quick - somebody with card 64, press your hands over it until it gets warm, see if it glows in the dark, put it by a black light, scratch and sniff it, Anything to find a meta puzzle on it.

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Re: Card META list

AtionSong wrote:
So this raises the question - is there meta on card #64 that we haven't found yet? Quick - somebody with card 64, press your hands over it until it gets warm, see if it glows in the dark, put it by a black light, scratch and sniff it, Anything to find a meta puzzle on it.


I think that was what AnotherUselessPwn

AnotherUselessPwn wrote:
And as for card #64 Hollywood Stars...I have found something that is very unusual about them, and I have checked all 4 that I own. In the shadow of the Y on the HOLLYWOOD sign there is a weird object that you can see when it is under a certain angle of light....Very much like the object that appears on card #220 Precision, in the lower left corner.


and I
Sophiecat wrote:
I've looked at all three that I have, in the best light and with the best magnification I have at home and there is definitely something there. Identical on all cards and in an identical position. It looks like a circular micro-dot type thingy with a country-type blob in the middle. Perhaps someone with better equipment or in a more helpful time-zone than 6.30pm on Sunday (ie less dark and at work) can add more detail.

were suggesting a couple of hours ago.

We need to know what that mark is that is consistent on all the #064 that we have checked.
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Also, the 13 cards with meta-data all have the 'shaded blips'.

I have 64 and do not see this 'thing' on the shadow of the Y. I have noticed that the grass is textured and mirrored. Gonna scan and see if I can photoshop some sense out of that...

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my 64's got it too. Confused

i was wondering if each card that CT shows in the end has a blob, are the cards lined up so if they were transparent, we could see the blob perfectly? (other than the 64/94 thing)
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angadeon wrote:
Also, the 13 cards with meta-data all have the 'shaded blips'.

I have 64 and do not see this 'thing' on the shadow of the Y. I have noticed that the grass is textured and mirrored. Gonna scan and see if I can photoshop some sense out of that...


You need a very bright light and a magnifying glass. You might be able to pick it up from a scan and photoshop.

Look right from the top of the base of the second "L" the shape is about 2mm across, it is in the shadow of the "Y" just as you hit the stem of the "Y". I've found it on my 3 copies and anotheruselesspwn has found it on his 4. It seems to be identical on all 7 of them.


darkhuman wrote:
i was wondering if each card that CT shows in the end has a blob, are the cards lined up so if they were transparent, we could see the blob perfectly? (other than the 64/94 thing)


That sounds like a good idea, it should be possible on photoshop.
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I think we should start examining those chemical structures that flashed while the DNA was breaking down. I have tried searching them up by structure format and nothing comes up for any of the 4. I think they fit together in a certain way....but I don't know. What do you guys think? I might also try taking it into one of my old chemistry teachers and see what she has to say about them.
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could they be the bases of RNA

[edit] yes we looked it up in one of my old textbooks
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Right.... time to recap from the start... here is my thinking

If I remember correctly, MC said that we had all we needed to find the cube after Pathways was released. The butterfly image at the end of Pathways was identified to look like a Monarch butterfly and exploring led me to the White Monarch that closest resembles the black and white picture. Image

Later conformation of the Monarch butterfly in The Cube update is The Most Noble (monarch) and the butterflies that flutter.

Also at the end of Pathways there is several % signs and Flying hints at modular being the correct interpretation. I think we still need to work on the letter string from Pathways using Mod somehow as the extra mod hint was accompanied by the Key Square image.

After a bit of research on the White Monarch I found this site. Let me quote a bit of the article

Quote:
An alternative hypothesis is that the nivosus Monarch found in Hawaii, Australia, New Zealand and Moluccas might have been the result of recombination of a rare but homologous allele, inherited directly from their American ancestors (Vane-Wright 1986).

Bold mine

This hints towards DNA as does Flying and The Cube.

Flying expands on DNA with the helix and the letters in groups of three.

The Cube shows DNA being broken down into three and then reattached. Also the diagrams like the post above noted.

This seems to me to be all the connection you can make with hindsight from Pathways, with Flying and The Cube extra hints.

Now we need to work out the relevance of FRG... UUU and the puzzle cards (I must say... some of the card titles seem quite topical i.e the hybrid one Wink )

Get to it guys!! Me?? I'm going to bed Twisted Evil

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RNA bases looks about right to me. Smile
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5letters gave us the Five Fingers
6Ticks gave us the order of the cards and number strings
7Pathways gave us the key (key square) and told us how to read the number strings
8flying gave us our "mod%key", mod 4 on the key >and hinted to RNA
9The cube gave us the RNA letters and told us that FRB... goes to UUU...
via Adenine(A), Cyrosine(C), Guanine(G), & Uracil(U)-not Thymine.
C=0 G=1 A=2 U=3
we still have the 3's (broke the frb..string into 3's) and the reconstruction to think about....so again its:

6.(7,8 )+(6,6)+(7,8 )-(6,6)-(-5,5)-(-5,5)+(7,5)+
(6,5)-(6,5)+(7,5)-(6,4)-(6,4)+(8,4)+(8,4)-(8,3)
-(-5,2)-(8,3)+(6,4)-(-5,2)+(6,4)+7,-4)-(7,-4)
+(8,-4)+(-4,-6)+(8,-4)-(6,-5)+(-4,-6)-(8,-5)+(6,-
5)-(6,-2)+(8,-5)-(-4,-8 )-(-4,-8 )+(-2,-7)-(-3,-8 )-(-
3,-8 )+(6,-7)-(6,-2)-(-2,-7)+(6,-7)+(6,-7)+(7,-7)+(7,-7)-
or:#29+ 1-14443432.5-3 NWWWSWSs/e
#58+ 2-21122214-4 ENNEEENW
#29- 3-232.52.51.5-1 ESs/es/en/e
#58- 4-23232.534334-1 ESESs/eSWSSW
#40- 1-1144144414432.5-4 NNWWNWWWNWWSs/e
#40+ 2-11444414412-3 NNWWWWNWWNE
#63+ 3-34-1 SW
#60- 4-44444444111111111114-3 WWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNW
#60+ 1-414141414144144441-1 WNWNWNWNWNWWNWWWWN
#63- 2-414441141-1 WNWWWNNWN
#90- 3-433333334-2 WSSSSSSSW
#90+ 4-4444444443.5-1 WWWWWWWWWs/w
#94+ 1-1114112321-1 NNNWNNESEN
#94- 2-4111111441-2 WNNNNNNWWN
#96- 3-44411414441444112.5-4 WWWNNWNWWWNWWWNNs/e
#136- 4-143334-3 NWSSSW
#96+ 1-222233332-4 EEEESSSSE
#188- 2-21121111221-4 ENNENNNNEEN
#136+ 3-2333234-1 ESSSESW
#188+ 4-11122221412234-2 NNNEEEENWNEESW
#191- 1-344411444443-1 SWWWNNWWWWWS
#191+ 2-11444444444411111111444-2 NNWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNWWW
#192+ 3-3333322333332-4 SSSSSEESSSSE
#203+ 4-33223333234-4 SSEESSSESW
#192- 1-444444114411112-1 WWWWWWNNWWNNNNE
#218+ 2-4444433333323-2 WWWWWSSSSSSES
#203- 3-11144144144443-3 NNWWNWWNWWWWS
#222+ 4-1414411122-2 NWNWWNNNEE
#218- 1-44334-3 WWSSW
#156+ 2-111221111112-4 NNNEENNNNNNE
#222- 3-34433333432-4 SWWSSSSSWSE
#235- 4-222233332222.5-1 EEEESSSSEEEs/e
#235+ 1-4444444434444444444443-4 WWWWWWWWSWWWWWWWWWWWWS
#237- 2-1222323-2 NEEESES
#236- 3-2112223-2 ENNEEES
#236+ 4-4333223323-3 WSSSEESSES
#250- 1-343-2 SWS
#156- 2-2232-4 EESE
#237+ 3-3333334433334-1 SSSSSSWWSSSSW
#250+ 4-3322333333333332-1 SSEESSSSSSSSSSSE
#253+ 1-1111211112-4 NNNNENNNNE
#253- 2-111114441114114-1 NNNNNWWWNNNWNNW
7.translated to FRBPULAFHPOSMLUCNIDYMENDBKIELGTPDOAAKILTIO
8.translated to
333, 121, 231, 100, 212, 332, 122, 231, 302, 210, 111, 022, 021, 120
9. translated to
UUU GAG AUG GCC AGA CUA GAA AUG UCA AGC GGG CAA CAG GAC


now stop wasting time going over it again, and rearrange the RNA people. Wink

ok the new flash shows DNA, breaking into RNA, which gives us our UUU string.
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poozle wrote:
Second, noone seems to have mentioned this anywhere but I think we now know who CT is... (well, to me it seems it can't be anyone else) it's Scarlett, am I the only one seeing this or do others?


Yes, I'm inclined to agree

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