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[META] Glossary Clean-Up
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[META] Glossary Clean-Up
I just referred someone here, and then sort of regretted it...

I just referred a newbie here when he asked what "trout" was, then went to the glossary myself, and realized that if I were a newbie, I'd find this section more confusing than helpful.

Many of the terms we use on a regular basis -- like curtain, puppetmaster, TINAG, etc. -- aren't here. These are terms that get used with such frequency that the poor newbie who attempts to search for them is likely to get thousands of results, none of which answer his or her simple but what does it mean?! confusion.

On the other hand, we have plenty of definitions that are just silly and are not actually used on a regular basis that I've ever seen -- puppymaster, ARGasm, etc. -- or are used in relation to a single game, and also are not used particularly often -- banana (I assume?), krystynsleepdeprivation, etc.

A third class of definition that seems to me of little value in a general ARG glossary is that which the poster admits to "just having coined" and is attempting to bring into general usage by posting in the glossary.

What disturbs me most about the general tenor of the forum is that so many of the definitions are clearly in-jokes. The definitions are there, it seems, for people who are already in on the joke, not to explain them to people who weren't there when it was coined.

In general, I don't think Unfiction deserves the reputation that it has in some quarters for being cliquish and elitist, but that is sort of the vibe I get from this particular forum -- I don't think I'd find it particularly helpful if I were a newbie.

And unless I'm wrong, that is supposed to be its purpose, right? As a reference? Not as an in-joke humor subforum?

In general, excessive jargon is something to be avoided, not pursued. In my opinion, we shouldn't be attempting to coin jargon, but rather as it develops naturally, we should be including it and defining it for newcomers. Words like "puppetmaster" and "curtain" and "trout" were coined because there wasn't a sufficient non-jargon term for the concept. But if something can be (and is, in practice, during games) talked about in plain English, I don't know that we should go looking to coin a term that will obscure the meaning for newbies.

The result of that will be, eventually, a gigantic glossary that'll scare the pants off most newcomers just looking for the basic terminology they need to know to understand our discussions.

So, this is my plea: can people who have the time and inclination start threads to define basic terms like "curtain" or "puppetmaster" and other words we use regularly that newbies might not know, and could we perhaps put "humor" tags on the silly/fun definitions and sticky the really basic ones (trout, puppetmaster, curtain, TINAG) -- we can perhaps use this thread to talk about which ones are truly essential and most likely to be looked for -- so this forum becomes less confusing and more of a usable resource?
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For one thing, I think having a glossary to let other people in on terms, even if they are just humourous, is preventing it from becoming elitist.

Once the "merge" option is back for moderators, we could move all the humourous in-jokes into one big thread so that it will not distract from the "regular" ones.

As for people trying to coin new terminology, I don't see anything wrong with that really... it at least makes people that are on the boards or in chat aware of the term, even if it's not in mainstream use.

Oh, and while some terms may have originated from a certain community of players (like 'banana' which orginated with the PXC players), that doesn't mean that it should be excluded from the glossary, as it does not necessarily only apply to a particular game or group of players.
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That's an absolutely scrumtrillescent idea!
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What about 1 stickied topic on the basic ARG terms, like TINAG and puppetmaster and such? plus, newbies can ask questions about terms they don't understand there. Sound good?
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I've stickied terms that are well established and used quite frequently. This way they'll stand out from the in-jokes or terms that are only seen in a few different games, while not discouraging people from posting or adding to the discussion.

That said - this shouldn't be an open license to create terms or post something that's only been used once or twice in hopes that it'll catch on. Let's try to keep our language as simple and friendly as possible. ARGs can be frustrating enough without having to learn dozens of new words.

Hope this helps Smile

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Thanks for all the hard work. I didn't mean to cause any drastic changes. But I do have to say the new layout for this thread will make it easier to show new people as well as still being able to add new info.

Good job you guys, and thanks again!
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djsampson wrote:
Thanks for all the hard work. I didn't mean to cause any drastic changes. But I do have to say the new layout for this thread will make it easier to show new people as well as still being able to add new info.


Oh, no problem! Really.

It's something that's needed done for a bit now but was easy to forget about. You just helped to remind me to get to it. Afterall, it's good for to distinguish between words that are entrenched in the community and those that get used only in small part of it (be it in chat or in one game or between PMs) or are injokes. It doesn't hurt to have those words listed in case someone stumbles upon them, as long as the ones that they are likely to come come across are easy to find.

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Good idea -- thanks!
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