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bakntime wrote:
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Remember, she didn't have a GPS -- all she had to go on were her senses and what her Friend told her...


Do we know for certain that she didn't have a GPS? How was she getting those lat/long co-ords? Do we think her 'friend' supplied them?


Yes, she mentioned to one of us that her friend was telling her the coordinates.



What difference does it make, anyway, if she had it or not?
If she's inside the Matrix, whatever she sees or experiences otherwise is what the Matrix presents to her. What makes you think that her GPS (or any GPS for that matter) wouldn't have been affected by "My Friend" as much as her own perception was?
Therefore, to my mind, it's all the same if the co-ords were supplied by "My Firend" or personally checked by Beth herself.
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I find myself almost longing for a bottle of wine to open as we sit by the fire and discuss the philosophy of life.

Looks like Beth is pulling a 'Lois Lane'....could there be a little romance in the air? Wink
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BriEnigma wrote:
Additionally, they did not stay anywhere long enough to "soak up the culture and environment." I am guessing that they did not get a chance to talk to anyone, which conveniently lends to the theory of an artificially perceived location. It would be relatively ("relatively" in Matrix terms, at least) easy to generate/alter a landscape. It would be much more difficult for him to alter her senses such that she believed she was interacting with a real, living person.



Sorry if I've missed something you've already established, but I get the impression the Matrix is somehow being underestimated here. Razz

Remember Neo's mouth sealed and actually gone in the first movie? Now - was that only Neo's perception changed, or maybe the Agents really had the power to change his "in-the-Matrix" physical shape?
And even better - the Merovingian's (or was it the Architect? Confused ) trick in the second movie. Someone's already mentioned that neo had to actually travel 500 miles to save Trinity. Now, did he have to travel that far because his perception told him he was somewhere on a mountant top? Or rather (which I guess is closer to any possible truth), becasue he was - in the sense of his "in-the-Matrix" persona, of course - actually relocated to that place from where he originally was.
(I don't think that's teleportation. It seems to be something like travelling not in physical space but via the Matrix code. Some shortcut, perhaps?
The fact that Neo wasn't able to do it does not mean some program or other wouldn't have such power.)

Why wouldn't "My Friend" simply do the same thing to Beth?
If it is the Matrix, she doesn't really do anything physically, anyway.
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 		hey guys just had another stoopid idea
has anyone thought that maybe beth is part of the system, a sort of program like apu from the train station?!
this would explain why she just goes back to work she is weirded out by the events(maybe research and development at metacrotex is the branch that monitors and fixes glyches)
she is trying to understand the WHY of something not the HOW of it.
just a thought maybe i had to much ramen soup.
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 		Surfloser, at first, I was just going to write another paean to your inimitable style, which I love. But that was a pretty cool spec, so I guess I have to write all serious now.

What if she was a program? Not every program has to know they're a program. Do they?

"Programs hacking programs..." It's possible. If she was, then I guess everyone else except the hackers would have to be too, and they were put there to keep Beth from asking questions about her purpose.

Mmm. Ramen for the brain.

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 		freakin matrix with all of its stupid loops
if only we could take hostage one of these imaginary people we could interogate them
we could then contact beth and say here solve this!
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 		I'm looking forward to this:

Quote:
niobexrev2: you haven't given your Little Boxes fans much of a physical discription. What does this hunk-o-luv look like?

<snip>

bethlmcconnell: hunk-o-luv
bethlmcconnell: you crack me up!
niobexrev2: so?
bethlmcconnell: sorry about the away message, I'm getting ready to sign off for the night
bethlmcconnell: I promise to post a good description of him to my log.
bethlmcconnell: how's that?
niobexrev2: okay, good
niobexrev2: i'm satisfied Wink


I'll hold her to her word.
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 		nio
when did this go down, recently??
tell her she needs to get her hair did she is looking so 90's
and to stop farting around how old is she chasing around green orbs and falling for imaginary people how ordinary can girls get
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dmax wrote:
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I vote for "her friend" altering her perception.


Exactly. I think that's correct.

Which means the right answer is certainly something else.

I think that this concept, though, is the key to her investigating his/its power and function. What way can this friend show its function to her in a way that isn't simply a trick of her perception?

With us expecting that this will lead us "behind the curtain" into the real world instead of the incredible simulation - an expectation that we only have because we expect this to be Matrix related - how can we be the catalyst for her taking the red pill? And what/where is the red pill?


I don't think that this is true. I forgot to upload my conversation with her last night, but I asked her if the objects she put into the fire were still unburned after the fire regained its heat. She said they were excatly the same as when they went in (except for a little soot on them).

This means that in order to keep up this perception difference, there would have to be two perminantly forked versions of reality. (Butterfly flapping its wings and all that). If the changes have some persistant affect at all, I would say that it must be the one and only version of the earth which is changing.

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surfloser wrote:
nio
when did this go down, recently??
tell her she needs to get her hair did she is looking so 90's
and to stop farting around how old is she chasing around green orbs and falling for imaginary people how ordinary can girls get


Well, that was just a snipit of our conversation last night. But she was talking to a lot of people just this weekend.
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 		i concure anthrax
if she was in fact not only seeing but sensing this we can assume what you see is what you get. it's not completly unprobable or if we are going to talk about her world perspective, for her being in this place than it is for her to be somewhere else, quantum uncertainty, but this isnt entirely true. because she isnt the only one that is moving from place to place which makes a big problem for us
what really is going on?
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surfloser wrote:
i concure anthrax
if she was in fact not only seeing but sensing this we can assume what you see is what you get. it's not completly unprobable or if we are going to talk about her world perspective, for her being in this place than it is for her to be somewhere else, quantum uncertainty, but this isnt entirely true. because she isnt the only one that is moving from place to place which makes a big problem for us
what really is going on?

*edit* i got very lost trying to write this and my left hemesphere punched my right hemesphere and i just kinda fell on the floor so dont rag me to hard!*edit*
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 		Firstly, new entry today:

Code:
Sunday
08:48 Morning has come very early. I spent several hours last night chatting with friends, both new and old, about the situation. It really helps to have so much input, especially when I have just been so overwhelmed by the situation. I can usually look at a 'problem' or 'situation' and analyze it rather quickly. With this, I didn't now where to start or what to do. I came here without a plan and without knowing how I was needed. It was, at the same time, frustrating and invigorating.

I stayed up far to late last night. I spent hours after getting off the computer talking with him and trying to help him. I used many of the wonderful suggestions that I received and feel that we are getting close. I need to have a cup (a pot?) of coffee and try to make some sense of my notes. I'll keep everyone posted.


She accidentally labels it Sunday, even though it was posted this morning as far as I can tell. Also, there are a few typos in her post. Probably because she's so tired, she's getting a little sloppy.

Next I wanted to comment about a few things. I liked Antrax's comment about perception versus realty. If he was able to remove her perception of the fire's heat, but really there was still heat there, the items would have burned. So, I think we can be pretty sure that he is ACTUALLY changing the heat of the fire, rather than just Beth's perception of it. (I'd love to hear arguments against this idea.)

Secondly, I think it is important to ask two things when Beth becomes available again:

1. What does AI Man look like? Should ask what he's wearing, and if he has any items with him (cell phone? ear piece?). I know some of you have asked this already, but I think it is important to make sure we get this info. Maybe even show her a picture to compare?

http://metacortechs.netninja.com/ethan/chicago/12.29.2001/20011229025.jpg

If anyone can get her to look at the picture, anything but a certain "no" would be interesting. Even though the picture isn't clear, if she is unsure if it is him in that photo, that says a lot.

2. If he is able to check and see if all of his functions are operational, lets ask Beth for a list of his fuctions. We've seen some of his fuctions listed in the code we got from Beth's PDA, so we know of some of them, but if he is a program, he should be able to just list them out for us, no? Then, we'd be able to more easily analyze his purpose, rather than just playing the guessing game based on what Beth tells us. (Though I understand this might be hard for the PMs to manufacture...)
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 		In her 08:48 log update, Beth mentions friends, both old and new; now, I'm assuming her new friends are us, but who are the 'old' ones? Does she just mean those people with whom she was chatting on Saturday evening/night? Or is she just using a throw-away expression?
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trip wrote:
Firstly, new entry today:

Code:
Sunday
08:48 Morning has come very early. I spent several hours last night chatting with friends, both new and old, about the situation. It really helps to have so much input, especially when I have just been so overwhelmed by the situation. I can usually look at a 'problem' or 'situation' and analyze it rather quickly. With this, I didn't now where to start or what to do. I came here without a plan and without knowing how I was needed. It was, at the same time, frustrating and invigorating.

I stayed up far to late last night. I spent hours after getting off the computer talking with him and trying to help him. I used many of the wonderful suggestions that I received and feel that we are getting close. I need to have a cup (a pot?) of coffee and try to make some sense of my notes. I'll keep everyone posted.


She accidentally labels it Sunday, even though it was posted this morning as far as I can tell. Also, there are a few typos in her post. Probably because she's so tired, she's getting a little sloppy.

Next I wanted to comment about a few things. I liked Antrax's comment about perception versus realty. If he was able to remove her perception of the fire's heat, but really there was still heat there, the items would have burned. So, I think we can be pretty sure that he is ACTUALLY changing the heat of the fire, rather than just Beth's perception of it. (I'd love to hear arguments against this idea.)

Secondly, I think it is important to ask two things when Beth becomes available again:

1. What does AI Man look like? Should ask what he's wearing, and if he has any items with him (cell phone? ear piece?). I know some of you have asked this already, but I think it is important to make sure we get this info. Maybe even show her a picture to compare?

http://metacortechs.netninja.com/ethan/chicago/12.29.2001/20011229025.jpg

If anyone can get her to look at the picture, anything but a certain "no" would be interesting. Even though the picture isn't clear, if she is unsure if it is him in that photo, that says a lot.

2. If he is able to check and see if all of his functions are operational, lets ask Beth for a list of his fuctions. We've seen some of his fuctions listed in the code we got from Beth's PDA, so we know of some of them, but if he is a program, he should be able to just list them out for us, no? Then, we'd be able to more easily analyze his purpose, rather than just playing the guessing game based on what Beth tells us. (Though I understand this might be hard for the PMs to manufacture...)


Actually no. It was correctly dated for Sunday. It was up yesterday. Nice observations though.
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