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King Mob · Decorated Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 289 Location: England

I posted this spec. here in the puzzles section concerning the BRUTUS files, but I thought I'd post it here as well:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=29840#29840

Considering the correlation between Caesar's post (Brutus.jpg, mentioning the increase in whomps) and Beth's log (09:22 - 14:01, concerning her tests on AI Man) does this confirm for us then that AI Man is responsible for these mysterious whomps and, more to the point, that he is doing something far more significant that simply altering Beth's perception of the world? I mean if he was just altering her perception, surely that wouldn't have the massive effect that it does, resulting in the whomps that the paintover hackers have been studying?

EDIT: I just realised that there are two types of whomps - those produced by AI Man (see above) and those produced by whoever is trying to catch him (MetaCortechs? Kat?), and which almost killed Texel. But it doesn't seem the hackers are aware yet of the two different types of whomp.

**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 10:24 am

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surfloser · Veteran Joined: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 118

hey everybody this time im coming with something serious maybe Rolling Eyes

i dont use irc or whatever and cannot contact beth directly but i have a few ideas someone could ask for me.
can he manipulate things on a molecular scale, on atomic, or electromagneticly? can he make something spontaniously combust?
next try the morpheus approach
touch him see if he is real to you
if he is real to you then the things you see can also be assumed to be real
if you chose to do so
do you think he is any diffrent than you any more important?
is it because he can do things that beth cannot
why cant she?
maybe we should ask beth if she could try manipulating something
if she believed this all to be real then why cant she do these things?
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if he can read beths mind and manipulate the world around him to fit his whims would this not mean they are connected in some fashion even if it is arbitrary.
somethings can be true and false at the same time!
im just waiting for ai man to want outta the box

**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:51 pm

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surfloser · Veteran Joined: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 118

just got back from the restroom and i had an idea
we still dont know where our missing man is
could it be possible he his wife and child were reprogrammed
his wife and kid keeping the same mind just diffrent memories
as for avery maybe he was deleted
had a meeting with the merovingian
got a new shell and forgot everything!
i doubt it o well i think my brain has officially just quit on me im coming up with diffrent ideas same senarios
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**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:18 pm

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Hmmmm

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surfloser · Veteran Joined: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 118

wedge i hate to be a nag
when you im her please
ask her my questions
i would be very happy
and not so at a loss

**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:07 pm

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amiantos · Boot Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 23

If I remember correctly, paul/root@little-boxes.net admits that the whomps are his doing, but the whomp that Texel got caught in was a virus created by the Monitors. You might wanna read up the files Beth sent to Phillip's metadex. Mr. AI Man actually sent Elizabeth an email on the 13th saying he wouldn't be seeing her again for her safety.... guess that idea fell through.

**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:21 pm

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People had already asked her about James (I know Omnie did). Anyway, from what I remember she said that heismissing is Avery, sheismissing is his ex-wife Lynne; and she "beleived the resignation story" at first, but now she's not sure what to think. She thinks their son might be with them. Oh, actually, can somebody ask her what their son's name was?
So, then she said that Dimitri and James were great friends, and that she thought that Marcus was looking for him about something work-related, but now she's not sure.

I think she doesn't like to steer off-topic; as far as I've seen, she either changes the subject or just doesn't answer when people are not talking about the AI man, and especially when they start offering her information.

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**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:25 pm

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surfloser · Veteran Joined: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 118

sorry guys just thinking to much or not enough one of the two
shooting them down like clay disks you are
wiser than yoda are you

**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:28 pm

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AnthraX101 · Entrenched Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 797

I asked her something similar last night, but forgot to post the logs. I mentioned it in that other thread, I asked her if the sticks remained unburned after the heat came back from the fire (implying that the perception changes wore off). She answered that they did indeed remain the same as before. Your questions, of course, go much more in depth, and make sure some of his perception changes arn't permanent. Smile

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EDIT: And also, It might be that he is indeed "there" and can exert normal force on nature (As I would suspect, because he never dissappears after the perception changes are gone). So him moving the branch with his hands may make said branch stay moved, while him moving it with his mind may make it revert to its old location. Now here's a question, what happens to that space once the branch moves back to its original location? If your hand was there, would you have a stick embeded in it?

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King Mob · Decorated Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 289 Location: England

Although you have proposed some really good tests there Xnbomb, I'd just like to point out that, as regards your first test, it has already been proven - Paul/AI Man can effect physical reality (as real it gets in the Matrix anyway). He did this when he rescued Texel, otherwise she would have surely reverted back to the site of the whomp.
However, Beth would probably have to carry out the first test anyway so as to give her something with which to compare your second test.

**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:55 pm

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King Mob · Decorated Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 289 Location: England

Chancesend's theory certainly would explain why AI Man/Paul would need to have a type of 'scan' ability; he scans the Matrix, much like we have on our computers, looking for errors, etc.
But if Chancesend's theory is correct, then either AI Man was captured by MetaCortechs (perhaps after he lost his memory? Or lost his memory after breaking out?) or MetaCortechs is in cahoots with the Architect.

**Posted:** Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:05 pm

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