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surfloser
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 		i was leaning towards the idea maybe he is bait for someone to help him to test his capabilities.
or the system knows of their activities but are waiting in the wings for something whether it be finding someone or being found by someone who knows but i think it would be safe to say they know more than we do
they built it!
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 		[edit: Went to lunch and forgot to hit submit Smile This was in response to the following post]

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i understand the first part of your explination anthrax
but wouldnt beths visual experiences trigger their systems?


I would have to say it depends. I honestly doubt it, because logging everything that happens everywhere is weird. This is about to get into a big piece of computational theory/computer programming spec. Smile

In order to make such a large system work in my mind, there has to be an ungodly amount of computing power. I picture the matrix not as one giant battery (First law of thermodynamics and all that) but as a huge supercomputer/fileserver. I don't think that this actually contradicts the movies all that much, because their idea of the matrix as a power source seems to just be from the info that they have gathered, not from an authoritive source. This computing array could be used to generate the matrix itself. Don't simply generate a huge world and send bits and pieces of perspective to individuals (IE: Thin Clients), but allow the individuals to generate their own reality and harmonize it with the rest of the inhabitants (IE: Thick Clients). In this manner, the people that are there are generating the world. I don't think it would take much more brain power to generate this world then would be used to perceive it. Then, extra capacity could be used to track the position of other objects in the matrix and store the huge arrays that would be needed to match people up with their virtual neighbors. By using a p2p style system, you could simply have brains start contacting each other directly rather then go through a server to deal with interacting people. This system would still leave the computers with a large percent of unused brain capacity, plus the memory functions to serve as file stores. (Worlds largest RAID array, woo!) This could work in the real world if you think about it (with silicon and magnets rather then organic chemistry Wink ). It is essentially a blending of Freenet (for file storage), United Devices (for computation), and Ultima Online (for "reality).

This theory could also explain a lot of the nature of the collectors abilities. He is only affecting a single persons computational ability. That person becomes convinced that the wind stopped blowing or the fire stopped putting off heat. But, as each person only tracks a small area, the affect is area limited. In addition, the individual seeing these odd events all of a sudden kicks his/her brain into overdrive. They are analyzing the situation and trying to come up with a reason for it. This means that the simulation has too get more precise to properly generate it, leaving less room for "mundane" tasks for the overlords to use in the brain.

And that is exactly why the CPUs within the matrix seem to loose power when one happens. </crackpot theory>

Now, how this starts getting back to your question. With this system, you would not necessarily need dedicated logs and monitoring capability. It depends on how the system decides to do things like that. They would most likely be unnecessary overhead and wasted computing power. I don't have a good reason for the temporary nature of the collectors changes yet. However I think it could be related to redundant computing and verification. This indicates that they have scans running for anomalies rather then constant monitoring, and that would explain the reason it stops all of a sudden.

They could easily be treating these as incidents of corrupted computing, rather then a rouge AI storming the matrix. We have no way of knowing how common those are, and may just be written off due to huge log sizes.

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 		thank you anthrax that made it much easier for my feeble mind to comprehend! Embarassed Laughing
im glad ur brain hasnt popped yet
that does make more sense and the way that you explain the durations of the events is probable also
great insight
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Sorry to mention this if someone's already hypothesized about it...

But if this thing is a Memory GC, do you think it's got James' old memories in it (or anyone else who's been "reprogrammed")?

Maybe Beth will trip across his memories...

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But if this thing is a Memory GC, do you think it's got James' old memories in it (or anyone else who's been "reprogrammed")?


He couldn't, because Avery disappeared this year, and GC Man broke two years ago. But he might have had something to do with the Emersons, and he would certainly know who did recycle the Averys.

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ChainedLightning wrote:
I think YeahYeah is on the right track here...

Remember that Beth was trying to find a LOGICAL explanation for the anomolies? Well, she found one... a perfectly logical explanation.. she's living in a virtual reality of some sort, and the "anomolies" are glitches or bugs or whatever in the program.

I think she's still seeing it as a logical explanation and hasn't gotten any deeper than that.


Yes I keep thinking this, I am sure that they are in a virtual reality already. I was thinking what if they are in MetaVRX (Virtual Reality eXtreme) http://www.metacortechs.com/pr/mvr030919.htmlhas already started it says for immediate release Sept 2003 They could have got so far into it that people can't get out Sylvie and Ryan could have plugged in and now they can't remember their real lives. Monitors maybe there to retrieve them. Or they could be trying to keep them in not sure. Could be a whole lot of things going on, just wondered what others think, but I feel this may have something to do with it.
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 		are you suggesting a matrix in a matrix?
cuz that was killed that entire month before the new movie came out
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HaZy wrote:
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I think YeahYeah is on the right track here...

Remember that Beth was trying to find a LOGICAL explanation for the anomolies? Well, she found one... a perfectly logical explanation.. she's living in a virtual reality of some sort, and the "anomolies" are glitches or bugs or whatever in the program.

I think she's still seeing it as a logical explanation and hasn't gotten any deeper than that.


Yes I keep thinking this, I am sure that they are in a virtual reality already. I was thinking what if they are in MetaVRX (Virtual Reality eXtreme) http://www.metacortechs.com/pr/mvr030919.htmlhas already started it says for immediate release Sept 2003 They could have got so far into it that people can't get out Sylvie and Ryan could have plugged in and now they can't remember their real lives. Monitors maybe there to retrieve them. Or they could be trying to keep them in not sure. Could be a whole lot of things going on, just wondered what others think, but I feel this may have something to do with it.


Umm.. that's not what I was saying at all.. I was referring to the fact that the Matrix is a virtual reality.

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 		is would also coincide with anthrax and my discussion
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surfloser wrote:
are you suggesting a matrix in a matrix?
cuz that was killed that entire month before the new movie came out


No sorry I didn't explain myself very well I was trying to say that they are in the virtual reality program MetaVRX that people created these virtual lives and somehow are stuck in it or kept in it. Confused The people who have disappeared have gone back to their lives somehow.
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joebrent wrote:
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But if this thing is a Memory GC, do you think it's got James' old memories in it (or anyone else who's been "reprogrammed")?


He couldn't, because Avery disappeared this year, and GC Man broke two years ago. But he might have had something to do with the Emersons, and he would certainly know who did recycle the Averys.


Just because he's broken, doesn't mean his core functionality isn't still "working" in the background without his awareness.

Few theories (sorry for the Star Trek references):

1) He's not really "broken," but actually evolving into awareness. Before he was a dumb program, but his AI is advancing enough to self-awareness (ST:TOS- Spock's brain is stolen, put into a climate-control computer system. Spock thinks his body is functioning normally, but his "breath" is really the ventilation system, etc.) Maybe not, since "Friend" refers to the fact that he should be "working."

2) Metacortechs has invented the SafeSys AI in Aquapolis, and has inadvertantly collided with the GC program. Now the two are merged, and where the Aquapolis's AI had awareness but limited "matrix" function, the GC has the expanded "matrix" functions but no awareness. The merger of the two is creating something new entirely. (ST:TMP- Voyager sattelite colides with alien AI... broken, but fixing itself to have a new purpose, etc). Trying to tie in Aquapolis and SafeSys somehow.

I dunno, thoughts? I believe that this man will have access to James' memories somehow.

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14:15 Didn't sleep well again last night. I suppose that's not surprising since my head didn't even hit the pillow until 4 or so. This is just all so overwhelming. It's easier to focus on the task at hand then to think about the implications of this. Yet the fear of those implications is never far from my mind. It is obvious, he is not the only one. It is obvious, he has some controls over the universe. How is this even possible? Machines walking beside men? Machines affecting the natural laws of the universe? I feel as though I'm immersed in a work of science fiction. I feel as though I am a character in that world living only on the author's whim. Then I realize that I am thinking. I think, therefore I am.

Have tried to focus on helping "My Friend" today. There have been a number of distractions. A group of kids are camping down the road. The presence of additional people is making him nervous. He feels as though his presence is a threat to us. I try to reassure him, but I don't think that I am successful. We've worked on determining how he affects things in order in an attempt to understand where the process breaks down. I am still unsure of how he is malfunctioning, though he is adamant that he is.

Taking a late lunch break to meet with my boss. I'm not sure how long that will take, but I'm anxious to return to testing his systems, to gaining a deeper understanding of all of this.


Thoughts: The first paragraph makes me feel really sorry for Beth. She has reason to worry on SO many levels...she is a character in a work of fiction, but the world in which the fiction takes place is fictional as well...she's stuck in at least two layers of artificiality. Aw...also, that answers our questions about her being too calm. She isn't.

"Kids camping"....arg, I was hoping they would meet! Why haven't the kids come down and talked to them yet? What have they been doing all this time?

Also, I really hope Beth gets back from the meeting in one piece...

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Omnie wrote:
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14:15 Didn't sleep well again last night. I suppose that's not surprising since my head didn't even hit the pillow until 4 or so. This is just all so overwhelming. It's easier to focus on the task at hand then to think about the implications of this. Yet the fear of those implications is never far from my mind. It is obvious, he is not the only one. It is obvious, he has some controls over the universe. How is this even possible? Machines walking beside men? Machines affecting the natural laws of the universe? I feel as though I'm immersed in a work of science fiction. I feel as though I am a character in that world living only on the author's whim. Then I realize that I am thinking. I think, therefore I am.

Have tried to focus on helping "My Friend" today. There have been a number of distractions. A group of kids are camping down the road. The presence of additional people is making him nervous. He feels as though his presence is a threat to us. I try to reassure him, but I don't think that I am successful. We've worked on determining how he affects things in order in an attempt to understand where the process breaks down. I am still unsure of how he is malfunctioning, though he is adamant that he is.

Taking a late lunch break to meet with my boss. I'm not sure how long that will take, but I'm anxious to return to testing his systems, to gaining a deeper understanding of all of this.


Thoughts: The first paragraph makes me feel really sorry for Beth. She has reason to worry on SO many levels...she is a character in a work of fiction, but the world in which the fiction takes place is fictional as well...she's stuck in at least two layers of artificiality. Aw...also, that answers our questions about her being too calm. She isn't.

"Kids camping"....arg, I was hoping they would meet! Why haven't the kids come down and talked to them yet? What have they been doing all this time?

Also, I really hope Beth gets back from the meeting in one piece...


I second those emotions.. But it seems as though this confirms that AI man are hanging out in redmond or close by right? Since she can meet with mlo...

So I guess thats helpful, I was unclear on exactly where she was playing with GC at..
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 		Well it does seem from beths latest mail that GC did indeed dispose of Averys memories.. *sigh*

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So that just adds another twist for poor ole Beth.. Her new friend was likely responsible for removing all traces of the man she had an affair with.
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21:36 A wise man told me today that there are many things in this world that are not meant to be understood, many questions that are meant to remain unanswered. My entire life has been driven by a desire to answer every question, to gain an understanding of my surroundings. I have never been one to operate on concepts of faith and destiny, yet today they have become very important to me.

During lunch, I learned that a dear friend passed away. We were so close, inseparable at times. He was so full of life and filled mine. I haven’t seen him in so long and never had a chance to say to goodbye, to tell him how much he meant to me. I don’t regret that, but I do wish that I had had the opportunity. He gave me so much and asked for so little. I miss him. With everything that I have learned in the past few days, this, the most natural, is the hardest to accept.

You are probably wondering what this has to do with the log of events, with faith and destiny. It has everything to do with it. I learned of his death and that of his ex-wife, who also passed away, through My Friend. From what I have been able to gather, he was responsible for removing them from the system. Something went wrong and it wasn’t completely successful. While discussing the situation surrounding their death, My Friend was able to regain crucial information that has allowed him to ascertain the nature of his malfunction. I do not want to understand what this all means. It is just not something that I am ready to comprehend. So you see it was destiny that brought My Friend and I together. That allowed us each a certain sense of peace, a certain understanding.

The dear friend that passed away had a son. He’s now alone and scared and in trouble. He blames himself for everything that has happened and feels so guilty. He’s in trouble. I don’t know what he’s gotten himself into or how it all happened, but I do know that he needs help. I didn’t know where to turn but I knew that My Friend could help him. We talked about it tonight. He agreed to help. I don’t know how. I don’t know that it will be successful. I fear his power. Yet I have faith that it will work. It has to work.


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