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Math part is:

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5 0 16 64 21 36
20 42 63 4 36 4 0
80 50 36 35 54 6
28 136 6 0 20 48 16


here's the bottom for easy cut n paste:

Code:
0XRGJJXRT CP7LTXPLC47UT 57WR
PER CRKRX TUUB IS06PCPJ765Y
WOFC GC TIGY IRUU G0UR
7C R0XTI G UP7T AC09 PF
7RCRF0 PT T4JU4GS2 TGR6
65 76U 365SPU 2XRI4C72
YIRS YPSRG09


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Okay, well I have decoded part of this new code, but I can't seem to figure out how to use the 6x6 folded paper -- which seems to be the decoder -- to fill in the gaps.

Basically, this is a variant on the same code that we've already seen before.

The 'math' part at the top tells you how many characters to decode using a particular key. For example:

Code:
1x5, 0x3, 8x2


I think this means "decode the first 5 characters using key "1", the next 3 characters using key "0" (e.g., the simple subsitution, maybe?), and the next two characters using key "8", etc. If you add up all of the numbers that refer to the characters (not the keys) you get the number of characters in the code (+1 more -- 136 instead of 135, I don't know why)) .

I think these 'keys' correspond to the key that we saw before but never figured out how to use:
Code:
0
1
3
5
1 & 8


When the keys include sums like "(2+3)x4" I think sometimes this seems to occur when the characters straddle words, so it could mean use code 2 for the first part and code 3 for the second part. But it doesn't always work out this way, so I'm not 100% on that.
I've changed my mind on that. I think it is the equivalent of the "1 & 8" part, which it is somehow a combination of the two keys.

The other thing to note is that the folded 6x6 'decoder' corresponds to the letters A-Z and the numbers 0-6 like this:

Code:
A B C D E F
G H I J K L
M N O P Q R
S T U V W X
Y Z 0 1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9


Again, this code overlaps greatly with the substitution codes we've seen before (e.g., A=I, B=S, C=2, etc.).

So, using the above information, plus some likely guesses, here is what I've decoded so far. The top line is the ciphertext, the middle line is the straight substituion using the decoder like I just described, and the bottom text is my best guess of what the words should be. The slashes correspond to the breaks in the code suggested by the 'math' part.

Code:

0XRGJ/JXR/T C/P7LTXPLC/47UT 57W/R
orehu/ure/s n/ig5sri5n/tgls dgj/e
creat/ure/s m/onstrosi/ties lik/e

PER CRKRX/ TUUB/ IS06PC/PJ765Y
i4e ne3er/ sllz/ abomin/iugmdy
  e never/ seen/ abomin/ations
 
W/OF/C GC TIG/Y IRU/U G0UR
j/of/n hn sah/y ael/l hole
d/ow/n in thi/s hel/l hole 
         
/7C R0XTI G /UP7T A/C09 PF
/gn eorsa h /ligs k/now if
/         I /dont k/now if

7RCR/F0 PT T4J/U4G/S2 /TGR6
gene/xo is stu/lth/bc /shem
gene/ro is stu/dyi/ng /them

/65 76U 365/SPU /2XRI4/C72
/md gml qmd/bil /creat/ngc
/or  o   or/    /creat/ing

Y/IRS YPS/RG09
y/aeb yib/ehow
t/hem som/ehow


Perhaps others can figure it out the rest of the way...

ETA: some additional decoding

edit again: I think that the word is 'down.' Also I'm less sure about what I had as "I've" because of the 'v' which has different code letter in 'never'

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Code:
W/OF/C
j/of/n
 /o


"found"?
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I think the last part should read
Quote:
"or god forbid, creating them somehow."


Btw, nice one, Dante!
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That works enaxor!

So even though I still haven't worked out all the code, this is what I think the message says:

Quote:
Creatures, monstrosities like I've never seen. Abominations down in this hell hole on earth. I don't know if Genero is studying them or, God forbid, creating them somehow.


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Well, I've discovered how part of the decoder works - at least in determining which letters stay the same. Still haven't figured out how to change letters, but there's gotta be a formula.

If you look closely at the the decoder, you'll notice that there are 8 flaps that work around the outside. The number determines which flap to fold down. So, if you fold down flap 1, you leave the three right hand columns visible. These are the letters that stay the same (so in a '1' transformation, D will stay 5, E will stay R and F will stay F).

Flaps are numbered clockwise. The 3 flap will cover the top half of the grid, 5 will cover the right side starting from the bottom. For the 1+8, you fold the 1 flap and the 8 flap, leaving only 6 characters unchanged.

So that's half of the solution. Now to figure out what the rule is for determining the covered letters.
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rowan wrote:
Well, I've discovered how part of the decoder works - at least in determining which letters stay the same. Still haven't figured out how to change letters, but there's gotta be a formula.


Nice Rowan! Just so you know, Matt has updated RoD with the potential solve for the code, but he has put out a call for any clues about the 6x6 grid. Perhaps you can tell him what you've figured out..

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Update on the decoder box.

I haven't been able to figure out how the letters are assigned to a particular square, but you can recreate a large portion of what the letters are on each flap.

One of the main things that I've found is that the letters stay in their 9x9 squares. So the I-S-2-7-G-P-6-C-0 grouping will always be assigned to A-B-C-G-H-I-M-N-O quadrant, just rearranged in different ways. This helps in spotting errors in the cipher text (like TUUB - technically there is no way the B could be an N because they aren't in the same quadrants. It should read TUUS.) This also lets you fill in some of the missing letters in a grouping (like we never decode a B with a 1 flap, but since all the other letters are taken, it must be '6')

One other thing you have to take into account is the order that the flaps are given. You should fold them down in the order that they are given. So for 1+7, you would fold down flap 1 and then flap 7 over it. If it were 7+1 you would fold 7 and then 1.

Based on the text we have right now, you can fill in probably about half of the flaps (the hardest to fill in is the VWX quadrant since we dont have most of those letters and very few numbers).
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rowan wrote:
One of the main things that I've found is that the letters stay in their 9x9 squares. So the I-S-2-7-G-P-6-C-0 grouping will always be assigned to A-B-C-G-H-I-M-N-O quadrant, just rearranged in different ways. This helps in spotting errors in the cipher text (like TUUB - technically there is no way the B could be an N because they aren't in the same quadrants. It should read TUUS.)


Okay so I've been playing with this (even created my own little decoder-folder) and I see what you mean about the letters shifting within their own quadrant. But just taking the TUUB ciphertext, I see don't see how this can work.

Using the simple substitution (key = '0' -- or no flaps folded), that gives us TUUB = SLLZ

However, we know from the 'math' part of the code that those 4 characters have the key: (2+3)x4

So, that means fold over the #2 flap (covering the right half of the grid) and the #3 flap (covering the top half of the grid). That leaves visible the lower left quadrant (T4JYBQELV = STUYZ0456).

Going back to TUUB: Both "T" and "B" are in that visible quadrant, so that means that we can use the simple substitution, right? That means T=S and B=Z.

"U" is in the upper right quadrant, which is covered over by both the 2 & 3 flaps, so we can't use the simple U=L for that.

Putting that together, we now have S _ _ Z

Since the ciphertext uses double "UU" for those missing letters, and the letters just shift around within the same quadrant, that means that the correct solution letter must also be from that same upper right quadrant, right?

If this is a real word, then the double letter in the middle has to be a vowel.

The *only* vowel in the upper left quadrant is an "E".

Ta-da! This gives us, um, SEEZ Question

How can that be right? You said that B can't be N because they aren't in the same quadrant, and I agree with that -- but there is something wrong here because following the logic of the flaps doesn't give a reasonable solution. I think I originally came up with seen as the most likely solution given the context. I'm still stumped how this all works, however.

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It's a typo. There are actually quite a few in the last code we got.

Code:
PER CRKRX TUUB IS06PCPJ765Y WOFC
i.e never seez abominatio.s eo.n


I really don't know what Dr. T was doing when he wrote that bit since it's just riddled with mistakes. It should be written like this
Code:
ive never seen abominations down
PKR CRKEX TUUS IS06PCPJ76SY 3O?C


If this was the first time there was a misprint, I might think that the process was wrong, but there have been several typos before this. Back in the pudding code, the Bs are written as 3s in the 0 line. And in the 1 line and 5 line of the pudding code, there are two more typos. If you remove those few errors, the decoder box works perfectly fine.
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UPDATES

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UPDATE: 6x6 grid, "Eerie Still Life" code - Thu, February 22, 2007

Got an email from danteIL today regarding the code I posted yesterday with the 10/1/66 journal entry:

He seems to be using some variant of the same code, but for the life of me I can't figure out the rules. It has something to do with that 6x6 grid that you found in the film box.

Anyway, the latest message, I think, is:

"Creatures, monstrosities like I've never seen. Abominations down in this hell hole on earth. I don't know if Genero is studying them or, God forbid, creating them somehow."

Sounds like some really scary stuff!

Scary, indeed. I'm starting to think this all has to do with M-A-R-A as well, although I'm still trying to wrap my head around how. Hopefully Nate Shiffer will be able to shed some light on these recent developments.

If anyone has any ideas on what the 6x6 grid means, please let me know.


Quote:
M-A-R-A.org: Haneda Air Base - Fri, February 23, 2007

I got an email from my old friend RedHatty yesterday--she and her friends figured out how to access one of the restricted areas of the M-A-R-A site, thanks to a clue from cryptidtruth, the person in Korea who's been posting photos and videos of a strange, unidentified fish species to the MHC forum.

This revelation must mean that either (a) cryptidtruth and Derek's "Mystery Puzzle Stalker" are the same person, or (b) the two are in cahoots. Either way, they both know about M-A-R-A, and want us to find something there.

Cryptidtruth's clue yielded a username and password for the Haneda Air Base, Japan section of the M-A-R-A login page:

UN: HAFB
PW: classifiedfolder

The directory there has a dozen photos of what appears to be a Chinese file on a Bigfoot investigation. According to a text file also on that page, M-A-R-A retrieved this file in 2004, from abandoned service tunnels below Haneda Air Base that had been sealed off by the US military. The text file also says "CLSRETEP_2005_FDMD_ records file" at the very bottom, presumably some internal filing protocol, although I'm not sure what it means exactly.

Here's the real kicker, though: the file was "retrieved from locked file cabinet drawer marked GENERO/CLASSIFIED."

Genero, as in Dr. Genero, who headed up Project Rainbow in Nakhon Phanom, Thailand, in 1966? I will try to find out when I talk to Nate Shiffer.

By the way, still no clue on how that 6x6 grid relates to the type of code introduced with the Goose Bay/cold weather gear note, but as requested, below is a scan of the back of it. I've also spent a lot this week huntin'-and-peckin' on the rest of the journal entries posted so far, so I hope to have text versions posted ASAP as well.

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you can use this as a key to using the above decoder




note that you have to make a 6x6 with the alphabet the way it is shown in the black box above.

As rowan said - when the code calls for flaps 1+7+3 then fold flap 1 down, then 7, then 3... works fabulously Smile

edit: note that the flap with the G 6 0 (zero) as the line closest to the middle is flap 1... so basically if you take that last image and put it on the back of the first image - then turn it around so that the first image is facing you ... top left is flap 1.
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danteIL wrote:
That works enaxor!

So even though I still haven't worked out all the code, this is what I think the message says:

Creatures, monstrosities like I've never seen. Abominations down in this hell hole on earth. I don't know if Genero is studying them or, God forbid, creating them somehow.


actual letter for letter conversion with the decoder (now that we've got the backside) is almost identical to that with an except (down is even) and of course a few spelling errors

Quote:
creatures, monstrosities like Iue never seez Abominatioqs, even in this hell hole on earth. I don't know if Genero is studying them or God forbid creating them somehow.



interesting note is that the errors UZQ are 1,2, and 3 letters away

U is one letter to the left of V
Z is two letters down from N
and Q is three letters right of N

consequences, errors, clues? dunno
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Jas0n wrote:
actual letter for letter conversion with the decoder (now that we've got the backside) is almost identical to that with an except (down is even) and of course a few spelling errors


Yep, I came to the same conclusion. Looks like Dr. T. got confused by his own code, maybe!

I am attaching the decoder thingie that I made. On this one, you don't fold the flaps -- instead you just overlay the correct flaps in order and read off whatever's on top.
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[Update] Feb 28th - Journal Entries 28 & 29

Journal Entry 28 wrote:
10/10/66
More sleepless nights. Been staying up, going over several of T's coded messages, trying to make sense of it all. Doesn't help much that I'm seeing stars from exhaustion and worry, nor does the fact that there have been several errors in his encryptions. Poor Tom. I can just picture him up for days at a time, trying to put all this together with Sang Thip oozing out of his pores. Even with the handmade device he left me, figuring these codes out hasn't been easy.

Can't stop thinking about Grace and Jr, wondering if they're OK. Slept an hour and a half last night and dreamed I saw them both being crushed in the coils of a giant python. I was separated from them by a thick pane of glass—all I could do was bang on it. The snake heard and looked right at me. It had Genero's face, grinning. Woke up in a cold sweat and couldn't go back to sleep.

Had to talk to G again today, about his concerns regarding my ability to complete my duties. He said he had no choice but to enter a poor performance evaluation in my file. He said my reports have been rather sloppy lately, and he's troubled by my overall sluggish and tired appearance around the base. This gave me chills, because I hadn't even seen him around the base lately—was he watching me in secret, or getting someone else to? I kept a poker face, though. I had to. I told him that I was sorry, but that I've been plagued with insomnia as of late, and was still struggling to fill in the gaps left by Dr. T's absence. I also apologized for my behavior at our last meeting, that I was way out of line, and had still been in mourning over Tom's death. I told him I would try to do better, and that I looked forward to perfecting Agent Yellow. I don't know if he bought it, but he appeared to. Genero apologized for his behavior, too, saying he was also under a great deal of stress. He also apologized for not getting a replacement for T yet, but that it was proving to be a rather difficult position to fill. "Thomas really was a great doctor, which is why I pushed him so hard, because I knew he was capable of so much more." I didn't believe this for a second—was this G's way of letting me know that he knew I was lying as well? I couldn't be sure.

Before he dismissed me, he reached in his pocket and handed me a small brown bottle. "For your insomnia," he said, "it's a local herbal remedy. Swallow ten drops before you go to bed and you'll awaken fresh as the dew." I thanked him and told him I would be bright-eyed and bushy tailed at work tomorrow. I'd better get some sleep then, for my sake and my family's—I really need my wits about me. One thing's certain, though—I ain't swallowing a drop from that little brown bottle.



Journal Entry 29 wrote:
10/11/66
So much for bright-eyed and bushy tailed. It's about 04:00 now, and I'm wide awake again. Some shouting woke me up about an hour ago. I slipped out and crept in the shadows to see what was going on. I saw a bus stuck in the mud, heading toward's Genero's private area. The Thai bus driver and US GI's manning the gates were yelling at each other as the tires sank deeper into the monsoon-soaked ground. I couldn't get too close, but it looked like the bus was filled with children of various ages. Dark-haired, probably Thai, but I couldn't be sure.

What the Hell was G doing with a busload of children in the middle of the night? My heart sank. I wanted to run and fling open the doors of the bus, let all the children out and tell them to run as far from here as possible. But what good would it do? I'd probably be thrown in the klink, maybe in a straightjacket. A crazy insomniac disrupting official business, who had just been disciplined yesterday. His proof of all the horrors going on behind those gates? Some torn-up bits of paper and typed gibberish from that other crazy drunk who wandered off the base and got himself shot. The children would be rounded up again, and Genero would then send a visitor to Corpus Christi, Texas, if he wasn't there already, waiting, watching. I felt sick standing there watching, feeling helpless, wondering what would happen to these children.

After a few minutes, base security showed up, along with Genero, so I had to creep back to the barracks. I have to get into that secret lab. I need proof.


There's also a short movie linked in the Jounal 29 entry.

ETA...More journal entries were added, as well as some more 6x6 grid codes.

Journal Entry 30

Journal Entry 31

Journal Entry 32

Journal Entry 33

More 6x6 grid codes
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