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[UPDATE] Beth Metadex Update [Nov 18]
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HaZy
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The people go in/out of vrx..
This confuses me.. I dont see how that would work..

and if we ignore that point.
If they are all indeed inside the metavrx wouldn't that mean we are in it too if we can see there web pages? and if so, why would the metacortechs site not say metavrx is ready and functional instead of asking for beta testers if we are all inside it?

I like the idea though Smile All I need is a plug for the plothole..


People in/out of vrx could be programs that are rebooted or people that have been unplugged also in the press release they had a big problem with lag which had been causing problems, then says "However, all indications are that these anomalies have been completely eliminated from the core MetaVRX operating system." but maybe thats what beth has been working on inside.

Not sure about us being able to see their web pages. Maybe there is some kind of internet within.. hmm need to think more

[Edit: fixed tags. -- AnthraX101]
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 		Thankyou Smile
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 		Also:

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Email from pgairdenSPLATmetadex.net
Date: 11/18/03 12:50
Subject: AQN

Beth,

I'm going to pay a visit to the guy I told you about, the one I accidentally crossed up the mail to you with a couple of weeks ago. He took my mail as an attempt at trapping him, and I guess inadvertently it was and it worked. He's all but admitted my suspicions. More when I return...don't worry, I won't do anything rash.

Phillip


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It's hard to keep up!

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Ender
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Hatch wrote:
amiantos wrote:
Hatch wrote:
Volunteers agree to have their memory erased? Confused
Does that really sound plausible to you?


He should have said "displaced temporarily" I'm sure that's what he "meant" and he just didn't know it.



Even so, why would you need your memory "erased" or "displaced" to beta test the game??


I couldn't maintain my lurking for this one Razz
I suggest you read "Realtime Interrupt" by James Hogan, was published around 1995. The situation in the book is quite like what is being described here - and memory suppression features in the book as well as the reason behind it.

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 		Either "ignorance is bliss" is a hint that this is matrix related. OR, or, it's a little TOO blatant meaning that maybe it's a hint that this ISN'T matrix related.

I was thinking about this when I read one of the NOT files. When he names Joe Pantoliano as one of the actors with quality. If we only get subtle hints thus far that this is matrix related then I can see this as being matrix related and with some mystery. But if we get what we think are real hardcore hints like "ignorance is bliss" and naming one of the actors who appeared in the Matrix, well... I don't know. I hope you understand what I'm saying.

It's still a very good chance though. I'm just trying to play Devil's Advocate really. Probably doing poorly at it. Rolling Eyes

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yeahyeah wrote:
If they are all indeed inside the metavrx wouldn't that mean we are in it too if we can see there web pages?


Hey isn't the internet One Big VR? Wink
And yeah I know that my plot has its holes but at least it could be a sub-plot, and there's prolly much more to it.
Abre los Ojos.Good thinking. It too deals with suppressing (bad)
memories.
What I meant by going in/out vr is that pple are getting back their memories from reality like Dina, or the stuff beth goes through with GC..
oh well time wil tell
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Abre los Ojos.Good thinking. It too deals with suppressing bad memories.
oh well time wil tell


Yeah, I was beginning to wonder if anyone would pick up on that.
Oh, and Tobester - 'The Office' rocks!!!
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Ender wrote:
Hatch wrote:
amiantos wrote:
Hatch wrote:
Volunteers agree to have their memory erased? Confused
Does that really sound plausible to you?


He should have said "displaced temporarily" I'm sure that's what he "meant" and he just didn't know it.



Even so, why would you need your memory "erased" or "displaced" to beta test the game??


I couldn't maintain my lurking for this one Razz
I suggest you read "Realtime Interrupt" by James Hogan, was published around 1995. The situation in the book is quite like what is being described here - and memory suppression features in the book as well as the reason behind it.


Man, I gotta read an entire book to unwrap the mystery of your post? I have no time for that at the moment. Couldn't you just sum it up for me right here if I promise to "someday" read the book?? Very Happy

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Ender
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Hatch wrote:
Man, I gotta read an entire book to unwrap the mystery of your post? I have no time for that at the moment. Couldn't you just sum it up for me right here if I promise to "someday" read the book?? Very Happy


Well I could, but it'd spoil the story of the book Smile

Oh, okay..

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

This company is developing a new type of AI, but one of the most famous problems in AI is how to train it. The problem is the top-down approach (giving an program a knowledge-base) does not actually give it any kind of intelegence, as the AI has not learnt to make connections itself.

The bottom-up approach, giving an AI some kind of physical presence (eg, a robot body with input devices) doesn't work all that well either, as robots do not interact 'truely' with the real world.

The solution that they came up with was to couple volunteers, via a new neural interface the company developed, into a simulated world and place simulated people in it. The AI was given one goal - to emulate the behavior of the coupled-in humans. Early in the design phases there was a debate about whether memory supression should be implemented. However, as the simulation is directly coupled it was discovered that the simulation could effectly be ran using time-compression (eg, 1 hour real-world would be 1 day simulation) and so the surrogates should not be supressed in case anything went wrong as communication with the outside would be difficult with the time differental. The pro element of suppression was to enforce more natural behavior for the AI to use as a model.

Naturally, some nasty corporate manouvering went on and even the lead designer of the system was tricked into being coupled in and had his memory unknowingly suppressed to get him out of the way. Getting stuck in a simulation for 12 years when in reality only a few weeks had passed on the outside and not knowing it.. a bit unethical, and it got worse Smile


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Tobester wrote:

Abre los Ojos.Good thinking. It too deals with suppressing bad memories.
oh well time wil tell


Whoa, Abre los Ojos is such a great spanish movie, and it involves lots of reality perception themes (very matrix-y, well sorta). The dumbed down hollywood version is Vanilla Sky.

Anyways, I hadn't thought about that cool connection, *claps at tobester's cool thinking*
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Ender wrote:
Hatch wrote:
Man, I gotta read an entire book to unwrap the mystery of your post? I have no time for that at the moment. Couldn't you just sum it up for me right here if I promise to "someday" read the book?? Very Happy


Well I could, but it'd spoil the story of the book Smile

Oh, okay..

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

This company is developing a new type of AI, but one of the most famous problems in AI is how to train it. The problem is the top-down approach (giving an program a knowledge-base) does not actually give it any kind of intelegence, as the AI has not learnt to make connections itself.

The bottom-up approach, giving an AI some kind of physical presence (eg, a robot body with input devices) doesn't work all that well either, as robots do not interact 'truely' with the real world.

The solution that they came up with was to couple volunteers, via a new neural interface the company developed, into a simulated world and place simulated people in it. The AI was given one goal - to emulate the behavior of the coupled-in humans. Early in the design phases there was a debate about whether memory supression should be implemented. However, as the simulation is directly coupled it was discovered that the simulation could effectly be ran using time-compression (eg, 1 hour real-world would be 1 day simulation) and so the surrogates should not be supressed in case anything went wrong as communication with the outside would be difficult with the time differental. The pro element of suppression was to enforce more natural behavior for the AI to use as a model.

Naturally, some nasty corporate manouvering went on and even the lead designer of the system was tricked into being coupled in and had his memory unknowingly suppressed to get him out of the way. Getting stuck in a simulation for 12 years when in reality only a few weeks had passed on the outside and not knowing it.. a bit unethical, and it got worse Smile



Thank you for the synapse, it sounds fairly interesting.
But, I still don't understand how this has a connection when referring to MetaVRX? It's a game yes? Not an AI tutor program?
I give up, maybe I will never understand, sorry. Confused

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Hatch wrote:
Thank you for the synapse, it sounds fairly interesting.
But, I still don't understand how this has a connection when referring to MetaVRX? It's a game yes? Not an AI tutor program?
I give up, maybe I will never understand, sorry. :?


The two main points being:
A) Memory Supression may not always be voluntary in a beta :)
B) The main use of it would be to create a more realistic effect. I don't know if you've seen the movie The Game (just check IMDB for that one, it shows what I'd call the ultimate ARG :), but think of it like that. Certain types of games will be more effective if you don't know your playing them.

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Ender wrote:
Hatch wrote:
Thank you for the synapse, it sounds fairly interesting.
But, I still don't understand how this has a connection when referring to MetaVRX? It's a game yes? Not an AI tutor program?
I give up, maybe I will never understand, sorry. Confused


The two main points being:
A) Memory Supression may not always be voluntary in a beta Smile
B) The main use of it would be to create a more realistic effect. I don't know if you've seen the movie The Game (just check IMDB for that one, it shows what I'd call the ultimate ARG Smile, but think of it like that. Certain types of games will be more effective if you don't know your playing them.


It's not that I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I don't believe anyone would ever knowingly buy a "game" that would futz with their memory. Whether it was deemed safe or not. What if it malfunctioned?
How would you know where you are in life without "the road that lies behind us"? Very Happy
Now if you are suggesting the ignorance of knowledge that you are temporarily being supressed, that is a different story. But your book example is of people who were aware of this being the case. And 'The Game' reference, great movie by the way, doesn't work for me because the hero didn't have a clue there even was a game until later on.

Metacortechs is advertising a game that you buy to play knowingly.

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 		exactly my friend there is no game
no one knows what is really going on not beth not ethan not jesse no one really knows whats going on except maybe mlo but thats irrelevant.
the point is no body knows about the world beyond theirs so maybe its a type of system that can scan memories?
and overwrite them if neccesary
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 		In essence, the game is a front for the "monitors" to keep us (humans) in line?? Shocked

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