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Pixiestix
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Roll Call Threads/Posts

I'm not the best speaker, obviously... A lot of time when i post, i seem a lot more upset than I am. My need to fully explain something doesn't help. That being said, yes, I am honestly that annoyed this time.

Roll call threads - Do we really need them? The padded, pointless, fluffy "I'm in" or "If this is a game, I will come out of lurking" posts that do nothing but annouce "hey, if you like me, and want to play with me, I am over here". They waste space, time, and frankly sometimes make something look busier than it is. EXAMPLE of the moment? Hacksaw. 6 pages, maybe one full page discussing a viral, non-interactive video. That is fine and dandy, this is not a comentary on if it is going to be a game or not. My issue is that the other 5 pages are roll call posts.

A Lot of time, it is new players, who just left their first game and are looking to join another. Many times it ends up on something that is not a game at all, or on rare occasion a game that already ended. But again, the commentary is on the action itself, not so much on where the action is taking place.

I can see MAYBE in a game like perplex, having one thread {and only one} between seasons asking who will be back... but even that is pushing it. I can see MAYBE asking if someone will be at a live event. That makes sense to me. But generally "I'm watching this thread to see if anything will happen" just seems fluffy to me.

I know I am not the only one {and I hope those of you who agree will say something so I don't just look like the annoying party pooper I constantly come off as!!!}

My request here is either a clerification or a general rule about Roll Call Posts/Threads. Discuss, please.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:32 pm
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SpaceBass
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While I sympathize with your frustration, this is a discussion area for a community, which happens to be focused mainly on Alternate Reality Gaming. I also prefer enough organization to the discussion to make it useful and not mind-numbingly hard to navigate but the forums aren't intended to be a rigidly organized system, which we leave up to player-created resources such as Wikis and Guides and Trails and whatever. I think we're doing pretty well if the roll-call posts are at least confined to a thread per game. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:38 pm
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Giskard
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I'm honestly surprised and a little bewildered about how someone could be annoyed by a thread of people posting they will/want to play or follow a game... yes, they tend to get cluttery and chattery, but I actually think that most of the time, it's pretty handy to know who's playing/following along with a game.

If you dislike these threads, the best thing to do is just ignore them, I'd say.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:41 pm
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konamouse
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I understand because I have the same frustration. I'm always trying to watch new game threads.

But repeated "I'm in" with nothing else constructive to add to the discussion create long long trailhead threads with maybe one or two good info posts buried in the fluff.

Makes it difficult to find the information you want to review, and long threads deter folks from reading the whole thread before making comments (that may have already been mentioned but they don't want to read back 10 pages to find it).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:49 pm
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I don't mind introduction/role-call threads -- they can be a nice place for timid people to make their first post -- but I agree that in already gargantuan trailhead threads they raise the noise-to-signal ratio.

But in most cases it isn't just the "I'm in!" posts that are raising it, so I'd say take a deep breath and be patient with people. If they're excited about the game, that's to the good, and goodness knows it could be worse. Smile
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There is a certain level of annoyance in that type of posting and the obfuscation of actionable content, but it's inevitable. I'm sure if we looked back at all of our old posts, we'd find some embarrassing stuff from the earliest of them.
I say, in the interests of community building, it's better to let it be and when/if the game develops sufficiently, the necessary summaries/wikis/etc. will appear as if by magic (<<points to the 125-plus page movie guessing game thread<<) than to lose a new player due to our fabled crankiness.
The only other option I can see is to add another administrative moderation level and additional 'role-call' threads for each N&R offering.

Also... Some of the newer folks may have determined that they need to 'speak up' in this way to make sure they aren't ignored or otherwise left behind in a game. But, what do I know? I've been roaming the halls for some time here, now and still don't seem to have what it takes to be part of the 'in' crowd. After a while, you just accept certain things. I think one of those things, for me is realizing that I'm just too much of a problem child for PMs.
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Personally, I'd rather see these excited posts of "this is great, I'm in!" and general goodwill and enthusiasm towards whatever game/topic it is, than the cranky "OMG this sucks" type negativity that can happen sometimes.
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aliendial
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And really - the only reason such threads rise to the level of potential annoyance is because there's nothing else going on, so all people can do is look at the same trailhead. With nothing more to add, but a need to join the game, "I'm in" is a good placeholder. A connection to the game pending actual developments.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:52 am
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I would be annoyed, If that is I actually thought it was a problem.
I went through the thread that brought this on for you pixie and on the first five pages I think I counted three posts that were only "I'm in". Yes it was said more but generally people tag "I'm in" onto the ends of posts where they are saying something else about the game.
So I don't think it's gotten out of control here. Besides it can be a useful resource for the PMs(yes I know that's not what these boards are for) in gauging the response to a trailhead.

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FIRST POST!

While I personally find the "I'm in" posts annoying, I also find them harmless and easy to ignore. As veterans, we tend to know the regulars on the forums, and any newbie who posts enough relevant and insightful content gets noticed and added to our mental list of regulars without such a post. Newbies, on the other hand, are excited to discover the "new and novel" form of storytelling such as ARGs and get all fired up at the prospect of being a member of the community. They feel they HAVE to do something, but in the beginning they only thing they feel can do is say they're a part of it. I think we were all "that annoying newbie" at one point.

Mentally, I group these sorts of posts in the same category as "me too!" and "first post!" replies. If that line of text is the only thing in a response, it's pretty easy to skim down to the next comment. I've found from personal experience that once an ARG gains enough steam to warrant multiple threads, the "I'm in" sort of posts get relegated to a single thread and can be easily ignored, if that's your thing. For instance, the PXC section has an introductions thread that is 45 pages and counting. That's almost 675 "I'm in" posts. You can choose to read it. You can choose to ignore it. Either way, it's there for the folks that want it and easily ignored by the rest.
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If 'annoying' "I'm in!" posts are the worst of our problems here, we have a pretty damn good place to discuss things. Really, it's a pretty nitpicky issue to have raised, but it does go to show just how respectful and wonderful our community is if annoyance is near the top of our STOP IT lists.
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Pixiestix
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For the record - that was in a thread asking for a player count, much like the perplex thread that i also said i could understand - but yes, thank you for the search for the post i made in the dedicated thread. As an innocent, not annoying, new player i did post where i was directed to what i was directed to. This is why i was asking for some sort of a clerification or rule or some sort. Not a deleting of posts {which some people in chat thought i meant}. Not a banning of players. just perchance if a game is so new that it only has one thread, the asking to not make such posts in that one thread. But really, when all is said and done, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks - space has already spoken and it doesn't matter. The conversaion we had in chat said it all, basically suck it up or ignore those games. While i don't agree, and we have freedom to disagree with each other and it is okay, it isn't my forum... so i will deal.

I only posted this after a conversation in the chat room where a handful of people were agreeing with me, and cather sugested i start this thread. I am sorry for those i offended... and since i've been told over and over that it is a moot point, i see no point is trying to discuss it further.
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konamouse
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There is a big difference between an INTRODUCTION thread (where folks are giving some information about themselves or what attracted them to uF or to a game) and repeated "this looks cool, I'm in" or "if this takes off, I'm in". Repeatedly.

I'm not advocating any censorship. And it's great to have different opinions. Mine is that I find them annoying. Same as people who quote ENTIRE posts to make a single line comment, like "I agree".

But, as always, I defer to the site owner and administrators. I have never edited or deleted anyone's post (except for obvious spam).
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aliendial
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OK, new rule. You can only post "I'm in!" messages with cute/funny animal pictures. Can we add this to the TOS?
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