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thebruce
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or in case you're having trouble getting it to work... (capitals added)
Code:
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How would one Find a flower? A ray of hope, a
light that wilL illuminate nature's undisturbed
process for loOming survival. Mankind has a
choice. A pathWay, a destiny. Care to remind me
of those simplE times. Kids could be kids.
Adults live caRing for the world. Harmony lies
in equality. I, an outcast, never belonged.
Longed to bleaCh a dark world. Demons that live
within the monOlithic souls of cruelty. Yet,
the hunter turNs to the hunted. We hide in the
shadows of facTual inaccuracies. The light not
to be seen. BrAnded with blindness. A matter of
perception, suCh visions speak greater than
words. PleasanTly resolved, convenient for
humanity. When will I be free? When will we be
free? Fates tiMed to precision. We follow a
path. It crossEs with each other. Realize the
moment. Awaken. Unite. Ambivalence is not a
solution. BlacKness is resolved with truth.
Love. Beyond wAlls of hatred, lies purity.
Prisoners of sIlence. Lacking a leader, we have
common goals aT the core. Trust no one. Fight
to avenge and Open the eyes of the beast.
Prejudice spawNs like spores. Find me. Reach
me. Email timeSPLATprimatechpaper.com. My search
continues for Petals. The flower that drops no
trace. A floweR. Open your eyes so we can talk.
CommunicatIon is conductor of truth. At the end
there are ultiMately many futures. At the
beginning primArily, there is only one
departure. HisTory is delicate. It begins with
one. Many buttErflies cause too much chaos. One
flap, precise Catalyst. To see light again, a
rift will be cHanced. I grow weary of hiding on
the 15. In simPle times, we used a courier to
tell truth. AnAlogous to death, invisibility to
many familiar People. The irony. Once drowned
within homogenEity, yearned to be special.
Found air to dRown myself bearing a mark. To a
flower I speak. May I reach you to end this
insanity. PreaCh the truth. Open the minds.
There are no mOnsters. Only visions that are
placed within Minds.

It just so happens the MS Word's margins are the right size to make the text wrap correctly at Courier 15, and align the 15th column to spell the phrase.

That is actually a really good puzzle... must have been fun making poetic and grammatically correct sentences that lined up, with word wrapping, to make the 15th column spell the phrase...
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konamouse
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FINALLY - a real puzzle/code that wasn't a spoon fed answer. Did the PTB running this experience figure out the community out there can do these??? (Afterall, there was the online results showing 40% claimed they could do it on their own, and 40% said they could do it with others).
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Uberg33k
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Re: Hiro's blog solved

tornok the great wrote:
coffeegirl18 wrote:
megiddo wrote:
For those of you woking on Hiro's blog the answer has been found. Solved by someone on the 9th wonders board... I still don't know how they did it.


Could someone post the answer? I was lost on this one.



this is straight from the guy who solved it

Copy the text to a document like Word (not sure if it will work on an Apple format since I have a PC)

Place the font in courier
Place the typesize in 15
From the first row, count over 15 characters (letters and spaces to the f in find.
Read the text, in line downwards which reveals the clue.


good job!!!
How on Earth did they even think to do that in the first place? I've been rereading it now trying to figure out their context clues and the only hint is "on the 15". Unless that's some kind of graphic artist term, I don't see how they made the connection.

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If I may, I have been following along on the 9th wonders board. One of the NBC staff was poping in from time to time droping hints. It still took one heck of a lot of work by all those folks at 9th wonders to figure it out!

Also, I believe that I read somewhere that Hiro's blog puzzels is something that Masi Oka is doing on his own, so it might not be a part of this experience.

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So, I had to be reminded who is Molly Walker.

http://heroeswiki.com/Molly_Walker

Quote:
Molly Walker is the young girl found in a hidden room at the scene of her parents' murders in Los Angeles.

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Re: Hiro's blog solved

Uberg33k wrote:
tornok the great wrote:
coffeegirl18 wrote:
megiddo wrote:
For those of you woking on Hiro's blog the answer has been found. Solved by someone on the 9th wonders board... I still don't know how they did it.


Could someone post the answer? I was lost on this one.



this is straight from the guy who solved it

Copy the text to a document like Word (not sure if it will work on an Apple format since I have a PC)

Place the font in courier
Place the typesize in 15
From the first row, count over 15 characters (letters and spaces to the f in find.
Read the text, in line downwards which reveals the clue.


good job!!!
How on Earth did they even think to do that in the first place? I've been rereading it now trying to figure out their context clues and the only hint is "on the 15". Unless that's some kind of graphic artist term, I don't see how they made the connection.



the big hint was in the title. Death and Luck. Death in japanese is represented by the number 4. Luck by the number 7

it was a good puzzle that had the better solvers, over at 9th Wonders banging their heads on tables.
btw does this make it an official arg now? can we think about moving this thread to the next level?

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thebruce
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Re: Hiro's blog solved

tornok the great wrote:
the big hint was in the title. Death and Luck. Death in japanese is represented by the number 4. Luck by the number 7

it was a good puzzle that had the better solvers, over at 9th Wonders banging their heads on tables.
btw does this make it an official arg now? can we think about moving this thread to the next level?

How do 4 and 7 apply to the puzzle?

And one puzzle does not an ARG make Wink
It's highly doubtful that this will change the definition of what's happening. It's still an extended reality with a tiny sliver of interaction; we just hit a nice puzzle while we were at it. Maybe this portion could be considered 'argish' *cringe*, but it's still kind of in that limbo stage IMO.
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Re: Hiro's blog solved

thebruce wrote:

How do 4 and 7 apply to the puzzle?


Ditto here. I don't see the connection at all.

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4 and 7 apparantly aply to the margins.

I don't fully understand it myself so I will quote Heroes ARG Blog:

Quote:
"Bound by life and death" refers to the numbers 7 [life] and 4 [death]. As Avaday said on 9th wonders, "4 inches wide x 12 points per inch monospace = 48th column, which is the right boundary, thus 47 characters before it, and 4= death, 7= luck."


...Yep. Clear as anything.

Whatever, I can't deny that there are smarter people than me. Rolling Eyes
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so.... 'bound by 7 and 4' essentially means you need margins set to word-wrap at the 48th column (47 columns per line), then read the 15th column (as per "I grow weary of hiding on the 15.").

In which case it would seem 15pt Courier in Word would just be a coincidence... which is true if anyone's default margin settings are different. Quite the coincidence... 15th column, 15pt...

I can see the connection, it just seems so thinly connected... either very intelligent person, a person with lots of time on their hands, or dare I say, a leak... Razz
I'm all for the intelligent person though - so props to them for solving!
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this was quite an impressive puzzle that NBC cooked up.. Does this type of puzzle have a name? I heard someone at 9thwonders forum say that it's a caesars box, like what was in the Davinci Code book. any truth to that?

do you think that NBC has a professional quiz maker that did this? It seems to be a very complex, yet simple once you get the clues, puzzle.

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dposse wrote:
this was quite an impressive puzzle that NBC cooked up.. Does this type of puzzle have a name? I heard someone at 9thwonders forum say that it's a caesars box, like what was in the Davinci Code book. any truth to that?
Not exactly. A Caesar's box takes a line of seemingly random letters, arranges them to a certain length, and then the message is read vertically.

Code : IKHSLEEEICE!

Box :
IKHS
LEEE
ICE!

Deciphered : I LIKE CHEESE!

I've never seen one hidden within a block of regular text like that.

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Uberg33k wrote:
dposse wrote:
this was quite an impressive puzzle that NBC cooked up.. Does this type of puzzle have a name? I heard someone at 9thwonders forum say that it's a caesars box, like what was in the Davinci Code book. any truth to that?
Not exactly. A Caesar's box takes a line of seemingly random letters, arranges them to a certain length, and then the message is read vertically.

Code : IKHSLEEEICE!

Box :
IKHS
LEEE
ICE!

Deciphered : I LIKE CHEESE!

I've never seen one hidden within a block of regular text like that.


Wow. So, you're saying that NBC stumped a forum full of code breakers?

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thebruce
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Though technically, it is a caesar's box, with spaces, and the 'code' inline is a paragraph, but the message after reading vertically is hidden in seemingly random text (rather than the vertical read text being the message itself, the message is within that text at the right position to start at the top of a line). It's kind of a backwards caesar you might say, with the legibility of the code and cipher switched, save the hidden message itself.

quick object lesson, because I'm bored, even though everyone probably understands this already =P

I could hide the word HIDE two ways, both caesar boxes of 7 width, with HIDE in the 3rd column.
Quote:
TIWHSCWHSOIAROIHNDSERSOEEETD

which after reading vertically would say:
THIS IS HOW ONE HIDES A SECRET WORD

or (with word wrap)
Quote:
On his trail, shadows creep.

which, when solving via the caesar box method, reading vertically (spaces as dashes) would show jibberish save "HIDE"
OTSCNRHR-AAEHIDEILOPS,OPS,W.--S-

The latter is more obscure, with the clue in the original text itself... a very nicely advanced caesar box Smile
...Those trixie nbc puzzlers!

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Wow. So, you're saying that NBC stumped a forum full of code breakers?

Well, I don't think the entire forum is actively playing this experience... Smile at least not with the passion that args like Vanishing Point garnered... hehe
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So now that the puzzle itself has been discussed, do we want to make any mention of the email Hiro sends back once you mail the secret address? Once you get it, it seems like the puzzle was a lot of work for a little payoff, unless I'm missing some other secret code here.

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