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[Asib]

Hi all

Took a long Holiday from this card

Judging from the quotes from mc on poozles post .......

It looks to me that this is simpler than we think

Its not a solitair Cipher weve been down this road for nigh on 18 months

I went down the enigma path for far too long and got nowhere

Probably something real stupid like a compass or wheel cipher

Might have meant to be somthing on the grey that covers half the card but it got messed up in printing or is very feint

Back to Basics would seem a prudent course at this time

Now where is my big magnifying Glass

[Rand0m]

Here's a slightly worrying thing:

I just tried to have a look at the large image of the card on the PXC site in case there was anything interesting on it. (For example, this is the image for #242.)

It hasn't been uploaded. Nor has 13th Labour.

Looks like they're not expecting a solve anytime soon...

(I also couldn't input my card code to try answers - I figured that was some kind of glitch with the new site, but now I'm wondering what's going on here.)

[bertyb]

[Rand0m]

[UKver2.0]

Well, my shuffled code worked when the new site first went up, but now it doesn't. My best guess is that they realized (without the three strikes your out thing) people could brute force the answer. Of the four remaining unsolved cards, only Riemann's (with no answer in the database to brute force against) code is being accepted.

[lonadar]

If this falls under the "It's been covered already", I apologize.

I did some reading on the Solitare cipher today. Interesting stuff. Some people are obviously desiring a different course of thought, but if it is in fact the Solitare, a thought: Some people have suggested that hints to some of the unsolved cards are being hidden in the puzzles on the site. (There's a forum somewhere pondering if images of a strangly-Satoshi-looking person is in fact him.) I was messing around with the PCX Puzzle "A Perfect Shuffle", and wondered if this, too, might be some sort of clue towards solving this card. Perhaps starting with the spread of cards as shown as the initial set, or starting with a 6-iteration "perfect shuffle". (After looking through 156 pages of material, I don't recall any major discussion about using a perfect in-shuffle as a base.)

Just a thought (from someone who doesn't own Shuffled, and probably couldn't devote the time it'd take him by himself to applying this theory).

[cheesey]

After a long rest, Im back into spending all my free time looking at this again, thanks to BertyB

Reading through the last few pages and the card again, something struck me.

If the cards were 'spread' out on the table, will the order not be backwards?

i.e KQJ10...... endning up with the Jokers at the end

[smartyman]

[FranG]

[beglee]

I first posted on Shuffled about 16 months ago and it is always in the back of my mind! I feel like ive exhausted every idea i could possibly come up with in that time, but i cant help but come back and see if i can come up with something new! Its like an addiction that kicks in every few months, and it was sparked again by MC saying its not supposed to be this hard! (why kick us when were already down )

So ive been looking over things again and i stumbled onto something. Well, it may not be anything but it bears a mention at least. I stuck "outward looks" and 'cold' into google books to search for any references and got one noteworthy hit. A poem by Henry Kendall (well-known 19th century Australian poet) called 'Silent Tears', which has the line:

[wonkothesane]

keying the deck query

[Rosti]

Trouting? Most possibly...

[smartyman]

Re: Trouting? Most possibly...

[RandomLil]

Hi Everyone, First post here. Feel free to trout if necessary (eyes crossed from trawling this thread).

Just a shot in the dark ...

"If entropy wins, ..." is an anagram of "PW (or WP) is forty-nine"
Could be password is FORTYNINE or "w" joker position is 49.

Have tried keying the deck using FORTYNINE and bridge deck order as per Bruce Schneier's page http://www.schneier.com/solitaire.html
and also by using the last two letters to position the jokers as per Bruce but no go.

Haven't yet tried the Motor deck suit order.

Also Five of Cups is equivalent to 5 of Hearts
"Five of cups bar one ..." could be 4 of Hearts
Maybe the starred joker goes after the 4 or 5 of Hearts in the plain or keyed deck.

Just my 2p's worth .... and so to bed

[x]

Here is an idea i just had that i dont think anyone has thought of.

... Outward looks leave you cold.

Ok. then lets look inward. ... starting with the faded text, shuffle the code itself like a deck. starting with the outside and working in, perfect shuffle.

Once thats done, then take THAT code, and try some decyphering on that.

Perhaps we cant decipher the code yet, because IT is shuffled, not the deck we use to decipher it. Just a thought.