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IMightBeRusty
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Well, I hope this turns out okay; I MIGHT get into it..

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:51 pm
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I hope so too. I see many of the same themes being used and IF the PM has taken some time to learn more about how to present an effective story and immersive play aspects, it could be very good. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Wow, i'm very confused here....Is this supposed to be a continuation of Ny takma? A chapter two, if you will? Cuz from my position it appears that this current incarnation of Hell is not gone is being run by someone different from the group who ran Ny Takma.

Also...what is a phychic?
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Methinks you're thinking of a different ARG. Smile Ny Takma was run by Jas0n et al. and concluded successfully, while Hell Is Not Gone was run by Zazaban and sort of trailed off.
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Yeah, i guess i'm getting confused as to why things from Ny Takma were mentioned in some of the first chats for this game.
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Oh heh, sorry, didn't notice that -- my eyes tend to glaze over when I see long IM quotes. Razz
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Phaedra wrote:
Oh heh, sorry, didn't notice that -- my eyes tend to glaze over when I see long IM quotes. Razz


You have very glazed eyes Phaedra it's a wonder that you can see Razz

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Created an IRC channel on chat-sol for this. #hellnotgone is the name.

EDIT: Found some interesting stuff in the source for the Maxwell is... and John is alive pages.

Maxwell is...: PALM EVE SHE ME

John is alive: BELAECHELN EHE VOM

Anagrams, definitely. Working on them now.

Son of EDIT: There are a lot of anagrams for the second one, but reading the list, this one just jumped out at me: HEAVEN BECOME HELL

Grandson of EDIT: Okay, so looking through the original thread, I see that PALM has already been solved. The second one, however, seems new.

There is also something else I wanted to ask. Those involved in the original game, which character had memory lapses? I ask because Zezmi tells us Hank was murdered, and now Zezmi has memory lapses. Was it the same sort of scenario last time?
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Hey guys, I've been a long time lurker, but I've just recently joined.

I've IMed Zezmi, and what I got seems pretty similar to what you guys found earlier
Quote:

PapaSmurfolio (12:38:50 PM): hello
PapaSmurfolio (12:39:57 PM): forgive me if I have the wrong person, but I was told that you've had issues with amnesia
zezmi (12:40:43 PM): I'm not sure if you could call it that but
zezmi (12:40:46 PM): Yes
PapaSmurfolio (12:41:47 PM): Well, I'm a psych major, so I'm always interested in this stuff
zezmi (12:41:57 PM): I
zezmi (12:42:07 PM): I'm sorry i don't trust doctors
PapaSmurfolio (12:42:22 PM): Well, I'm not a doctor. Just a student
zezmi (12:42:46 PM): My father was a phych doctor.
PapaSmurfolio (12:43:04 PM): Was? Has he quit practicing?
zezmi (12:43:13 PM): He's dead
PapaSmurfolio (12:43:39 PM): Oh, sorry I brought that up
zezmi (12:43:41 PM): He died last november
zezmi (12:43:47 PM): Don't worry,
zezmi (12:43:52 PM): I'm happy he's dead
zezmi (12:43:59 PM): I hated my dad
zezmi (12:44:40 PM): He'd play weird mind games on me to see if I was "worthy"
PapaSmurfolio (12:45:24 PM): Can you be any more specific? This sounds a little strange
zezmi (12:46:20 PM): He'd make me drink a bottle
zezmi (12:46:23 PM): for example
zezmi (12:46:31 PM): and then he'd tell me it was poison and I was going to die
zezmi (12:46:53 PM): After i didn't die, he said it was a test to see if i was afraid of death
PapaSmurfolio (12:47:41 PM): Wow. I thought my family situation got crazy sometimes.
PapaSmurfolio (12:48:03 PM): You said he was testing to see if you were "worthy". . . what were you supposed to be worthy of?
zezmi (12:48:09 PM): I have no idea.
zezmi (12:49:26 PM): I just think he was a Sociopathic nutbar
PapaSmurfolio (12:49:52 PM): well, you'd have to be to play tricks like that on your family
zezmi (12:50:14 PM): His last few months were okay, he spet a lot of time on the computer
zezmi (12:50:23 PM): He was on it when he died.
PapaSmurfolio (12:50:52 PM): I know I'm getting a bit nosy, but that's a bit odd. Do you know what he died from?
zezmi (12:51:08 PM): According to my mother I killed him
zezmi (12:51:51 PM): According to the coroner it was a strong electrical shock
PapaSmurfolio (12:52:35 PM): Well it sounds like the computer killed him. Maybe he spilt a drink by a power cable?
zezmi (12:52:42 PM): No drink. zezmi (12:53:18 PM): and he was shocked from behind
PapaSmurfolio (12:54:29 PM): That is suspicious, but I wouldn't say it couldn't have been an accident. Why do you think your mother would accuse you, though?
zezmi (12:54:54 PM): According to my father I was insane
zezmi (12:55:19 PM): That and I'm a goth
zezmi (12:55:54 PM): But i didn't
zezmi (12:56:00 PM): I wouldn't stoop to his level
PapaSmurfolio (12:56:53 PM): Do you get along with your mother?
zezmi (12:57:19 PM): She believed him when he said i was insane
PapaSmurfolio (12:58:45 PM): But you didn't do anything that crazy, though. I wouldn't take somebody's word on something as large as that. I'd wait until I at least saw something
zezmi (12:58:44 PM): I'm not even sure he was a legal doctor
PapaSmurfolio (12:59:34 PM): Not to be personal, but do you think you've ever done anything that would make your father think you were crazy?
PapaSmurfolio (12:59:51 PM): Anything more unusual than wearing all black and that sort of thing?
zezmi (1:00:15 PM): No
zezmi (1:00:38 PM): Not that I'm aware of
PapaSmurfolio (1:01:29 PM): Alright. You seem pretty lucid, so I believe you when you say that you're not crazy.
PapaSmurfolio (1:01:44 PM): I did want to get back to the memory loss
zezmi (1:01:44 PM): Well....
zezmi (1:01:58 PM): According to him, I did violent things that i could never remember.
zezmi (1:02:05 PM): I don't believe that of course
PapaSmurfolio (1:02:38 PM): can you tell me when this, supposedly, began?
zezmi (1:02:52 PM): When i was a little kid appearently
zezmi (1:04:07 PM): When I was little I would apparently think my father was dead and cry out for him
PapaSmurfolio (1:05:20 PM): Would you be opposed to trying hypnotic suggestion to maybe find out more about this?
zezmi (1:05:31 PM): Sure...
PapaSmurfolio (1:05:43 PM): It'd be much better in person, but I've done it online before, and it seemed to work out alright if you're willing
zezmi (1:05:49 PM): Okay
PapaSmurfolio (1:06:00 PM): Alright, are you ready?
zezmi (1:06:04 PM): Gor for it
PapaSmurfolio (1:06:22 PM): Ok. Just let your hands relax on the keyboard
PapaSmurfolio (1:06:54 PM): I'm going to ask your unconscious to respond to these questions
PapaSmurfolio (1:07:29 PM): before you relax completely, I want you to keep your eyes open through the session
PapaSmurfolio (1:07:44 PM): so that your unconscious can watch and understand, at all levels, what I'm saying
PapaSmurfolio (1:08:07 PM): watch the letters appear on the screen
PapaSmurfolio (1:08:14 PM): their shapes
PapaSmurfolio (1:08:16 PM): their arrangements
PapaSmurfolio (1:09:00 PM): notice how your unconscious takes in other sensations, like in your toes
PapaSmurfolio (1:09:17 PM): and the feeling of your neurons firing
PapaSmurfolio (1:09:55 PM): your unconscious is like a storehouse. It holds all your memories, experiences and learnings, and it keeps it inside yourself
PapaSmurfolio (1:10:08 PM): allow your mind to wander
PapaSmurfolio (1:10:49 PM): your unconscious will stay here while you go deep into that inner space
PapaSmurfolio (1:11:18 PM): go all the way inside that place
PapaSmurfolio (1:11:29 PM): leaving only your unconscious out here with me
PapaSmurfolio (1:11:57 PM): your unconscious can allow yourself to totally relax. From your fingertips to your toes
PapaSmurfolio (1:12:10 PM): when it's done relaxing, it can press 1
zezmi (1:12:17 PM): 1
zezmi (1:12:26 PM): 11
zezmi (1:12:40 PM): 2111111
PapaSmurfolio (1:12:51 PM): as I count from 1 to 10, your unconscious will made the adjustments necessary to keep you relaxed and allow you into that inner space
PapaSmurfolio (1:13:02 PM): 1
PapaSmurfolio (1:13:05 PM): going deeper
PapaSmurfolio (1:13:08 PM): 2
zezmi (1:13:12 PM): IDONTNEEDTORELAXIDONTNEEDHELPIMNOTCRAZY
PapaSmurfolio (1:13:31 PM): Woah. Hey, I'm sorry if this is getting to much
zezmi (1:13:45 PM): SHUTUPYOUJEWYOUMAKEMESICK
zezmi (1:13:55 PM): LET ME OUT
PapaSmurfolio (1:14:07 PM): Alright, just relax, ok
PapaSmurfolio (1:14:13 PM): I'll try and bring you back
zezmi (1:14:12 PM): I DONT NEED TO RELAX
zezmi (1:14:23 PM): I DON'T NEED YOUR DAM HELP
zezmi (1:14:51 PM): IIIIII
zezmi (1:14:55 PM): IIDSFSDN BLGSN.ELRKEHY89 HE[HNZKSX
PapaSmurfolio (1:15:10 PM): Alright, watch as I count back 1 to 5
PapaSmurfolio (1:15:23 PM): 1
zezmi signed off at 1:15:31 PM.
zezmi is offline and will receive your IMs when signing back in.
zezmi signed on at 1:15:39 PM.
zezmi signed off at 1:15:42 PM.
zezmi is offline and will receive your IMs when signing back in.
zezmi signed on at 1:16:00 PM.
PapaSmurfolio (1:16:19 PM): I didn't mean to upset you
zezmi (1:16:20 PM): Sorry, i think I fell asleep when you were going through that relaxing thing Razz
zezmi (1:16:27 PM): Hmm?
zezmi (1:16:33 PM): I'm not upset
PapaSmurfolio (1:17:09 PM): Well, as you got into that small trance, you began to become more irate
PapaSmurfolio (1:17:36 PM): I think this may be too close to what your father did with you for your unconscious to allow
zezmi (1:18:02 PM): I was worried about that
PapaSmurfolio (1:18:36 PM): Well, I can see that there's a part of you that needs some peace, I think
PapaSmurfolio (1:18:45 PM): I'd like to help, if I can
PapaSmurfolio (1:19:35 PM): I have another question for you. Do you know about a preacher?
zezmi (1:19:51 PM): Well I'm supposed to be looking for one :p
zezmi (1:20:09 PM): Coming from Louisiana I met a few preachers
PapaSmurfolio (1:20:28 PM): So it's not just any preacher, then?zezmi (1:20:32 PM): Nope
PapaSmurfolio (1:20:47 PM): So who has you looking?
zezmi (1:20:51 PM): Cliare
PapaSmurfolio (1:21:05 PM): I think I remember her now
zezmi (1:21:16 PM): Hold on...
PapaSmurfolio (1:21:20 PM): my friends told me just a little bit about her
PapaSmurfolio (1:21:20 PM): ok
zezmi (1:22:52 PM): Sorry, phone call, go on
PapaSmurfolio (1:23:53 PM): Well, apparently she's left some cryptic clues about a preacher, a village and a seeker
zezmi (1:24:28 PM): hmm...
zezmi (1:24:37 PM): I think I remember that
PapaSmurfolio (1:25:03 PM): I'd like to find out who this preacher is, both to help you and out of my own curiosity
zezmi (1:25:10 PM): Sure
PapaSmurfolio (1:25:30 PM): Did Claire leave you anything that might lead you to this preacher?
zezmi (1:25:40 PM): Nothing that I know of
PapaSmurfolio (1:26:38 PM): Hmm. I'm going to see what I can find out.
zezmi (1:26:44 PM): Thanks
PapaSmurfolio (1:26:53 PM): I may contact you again if I find anything, will that be alright with you?
zezmi (1:26:57 PM): Sure
zezmi (1:27:01 PM): By the way
PapaSmurfolio (1:27:05 PM): yes?
zezmi (1:27:13 PM): Did your friends tell you about the dream I've been having?
PapaSmurfolio (1:27:57 PM): No, they mentioned Claire and a couple websites, as well as the memory loss, but they didn't say anything about any dreams
zezmi (1:28:46 PM): I have a reoccurring dream where I'm banging on a brick wall Screaming "Is there anybody out there?"
PapaSmurfolio (1:29:25 PM): how long have you had this dream?
zezmi (1:29:40 PM): As long as I can remember
PapaSmurfolio (1:30:27 PM): That may be important, let me think about that one a while
PapaSmurfolio (1:30:45 PM): One last question before I head out, where did the name zezmi come from?
zezmi (1:31:02 PM): Just something I made up one day :p
zezmi (1:31:14 PM): I'm thinking of getting a new account though
PapaSmurfolio (1:32:01 PM): Heh, trying to avoid wanna-be psychologists like myself? : )
zezmi (1:32:13 PM): Na, i just don't care for the name
zezmi (1:32:42 PM): bye
PapaSmurfolio (1:32:46 PM): well, if you do, I hope you stay in touch
PapaSmurfolio (1:32:52 PM): later
zezmi (1:32:52 PM): Of course


The only new facts I can see so far is that his father was electrocuted, and it looks like he may have killed him.

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When posting these LONG IM logs, it's very helpful to bold or highlight the key points. Thank you for that summary at the end (with what you thought was the key point of the interaction).
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konamouse wrote:
When posting these LONG IM logs, it's very helpful to bold or highlight the key points. Thank you for that summary at the end (with what you thought was the key point of the interaction).


That's exactly the problem. No matter how thorough someone is, there's always going to be someone going, "You still haven't done it right. Such-and-such should have been bolded/highlighted because it's key." I can honestly say that I would get tired of that if I've taken the time to comb through the log of the IM and bold what I thought were the key points so someone else doesn't have to read the entire thing.
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Esteed wrote:
That's exactly the problem. No matter how thorough someone is, there's always going to be someone going, "You still haven't done it right. Such-and-such should have been bolded/highlighted because it's key." I can honestly say that I would get tired of that if I've taken the time to comb through the log of the IM and bold what I thought were the key points so someone else doesn't have to read the entire thing.

Thus why I detest AIM/chat-heavy args Razz
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thebruce wrote:
Esteed wrote:
That's exactly the problem. No matter how thorough someone is, there's always going to be someone going, "You still haven't done it right. Such-and-such should have been bolded/highlighted because it's key." I can honestly say that I would get tired of that if I've taken the time to comb through the log of the IM and bold what I thought were the key points so someone else doesn't have to read the entire thing.

Thus why I detest AIM/chat-heavy args Razz


And that's fine. If the ARG uses methods and techniques you detest, why then would you play it? Wouldn't it be simpler and easier on everyone to play what they like and avoid what they don't? To me, if you're going to go ahead and play a game when you know it's going to be chat-heavy, you need to deal with it and not complain. You made the choice to play despite your opinion about chat-heavy ARGs.
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Esteed wrote:
And that's fine. If the ARG uses methods and techniques you detest, why then would you play it?

Exactly Smile which is why for the most part I lurk, and enjoy games where the story is fairly easy to follow, and if there's lots of chat, I simply rely on people's summarizations and such... ye just gotta deal. If the PM doesn't do it right, the player-base will reflect that.
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Yeah, I think I'll just be summarizing future chats. That seems to simplify matters. I didn't think it'd be quite that long until I actually saw it posted.

Esteed, concerning the memory lapses, there were no characters during the last run of this game which seemed to have lost memories. However, a character calling himself Dr. Harold Applebee showed up just before things trailed off and claimed that Claire, the defunct clue-giver, is actually another personality of Eve, a self-proclaimed psychic and Claire's sister. Harold may or may not have been who he said he was, so Claire might be real and Eve might not be crazy. I do find it interesting that this Zezmi character shows up out of the blue and also seems to have a multiple personalities disorder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_personality_disorder
The very first paragraph seems to describe Zezmi to a "t."

Right now, I think that Eve (or Claire) and Zezmi are legitimately crazy, and it's up to us to find out what went wrong.

[edit] Little facts I found about Zezmi which might be decent leads

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Zezmi's email is zazabanSPLATmac.com
(Zazaban is also the preacher's name)
His YiM account is: Bdrezz
He has profiles on all of the following:
-deviant art (Zezmi)
-deviant art (Zazaban)
-Nintendo Database (Zazaban)
-Runevillage.com (Zazaban) [small references to Hell not gone]
-Stratics forums (Zazaban)
-UFO Casebook (Zazaban)

These all seemed fairly consistent when I looked over them. I passed off others as false leads

He has a runescape character named Marth66.
He also plays (played) Ultima Online


[and yet another edit]
There was some forehead slapping when all this stuff clicked.

An AIM conversation from Nov. 2006
Quote:
Red: Whatever is happening to your sister, she is developing a "form" - do you know how that can be?
Eve Andersson: Well it has to be able to communicate on computers even at an early stage. that can't be anything but digital.


AIM conversation from May 2007
Quote:
Claireandersson (9:10:52 PM): ever played runescape?
Brrittany (9:12:10 PM): no
Claireandersson (9:12:35 PM): I did once.
Claireandersson (9:12:46 PM): I met the preacher there.
Brrittany (9:14:21 PM): does the preacher have a name?
Claireandersson (9:14:32 PM): Yes
Claireandersson (9:14:42 PM): it is Zazaban


Zazaban's profile on the Runevillage forum . . . for the game Runescape.

I retract the former statement about Zezmi being crazy. That's entirely too logical : p. Claire, the preacher and maybe other characters exist in the game Runescape somewhere.

I guess that means that I'm going in.

Ugh. I loathe MMORPGs.

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