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Rogi Ocnorb
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Using Google maps, the coordinates for enigma9 in Lorient are smack-dab in the middle of a large circular structure that looks like it may include a boat launching facility, but doesn't look like part of the old Nazi submarine base (Keroman).
Any ideas what the structure is?
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ENIGMA 8 - I'VE GOT IT!

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Partially at least...

Turns out I *was* really close (see previous post). It occurred to me to get rid of all the spaces. That didn't help. So then I also got rid of all the punctuation (a dash and a period), producing a raw stream of characters. This suddenly gives the solution:

"thirtyeightfootlenGth"

This is too long to fit into the "Enter Key" field... Not sure what to make of that. But this solution consumes all the available clues for this step. ???

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Oh, and I thought I had found something interesting.. Wink

Perko wrote:
I've looked into a few of the better known folks on that list, can't find anybody with significant offspring. Therefore I'm leaning towards the famous writers, whose literary characters could consider him their "father". "Too Old" still throws me at Hemingway's "Old Man", unfortunately I haven't been able to get the text, just some Coles Notes on it.


Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
For Enigma9... Those could be coordinates for Lorient, France.



Of the three sons who survived him, the youngest, Gregory was a physician and an author. He wrote the autobiography Papa: A Personal Memoir.

He died in jail, of natural causes in 2001. See The Strange Saga of Gregory Hemingway. Gregory Hemmingway's daughter is named Lorian.

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Using Google maps, the coordinates for enigma9 in Lorient are smack-dab in the middle of a large circular structure that looks like it may include a boat launching facility, but doesn't look like part of the old Nazi submarine base (Keroman).
Any ideas what the structure is?


Nice work, it clearly is just that, this link goes to roughly the same spot:

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/95749/an//page/0/vc/1

Given my solution to the "father's birthplace" puzzle, I think we're looking for a certain-sized submarine...
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Rogi Ocnorb
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Hemmingway's (38 foot) boat was named "pilar".

Good solve!

On the next one, I think the "U" may be reference to "U-Boat", but the numbers aren't in the right range. They almost look like more coordinates.

ETA: The parenthetic entry referenced in the next question.
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I guess Pilar was a 38 footer?
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):

U

34057 35011

*

46035 11055

*

48031 22005

*

43026 38023

*

46030 03008

=


Any ideas?
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Playing around with the numbers as coords,
EDIT for most likely:
34.057 -35.011 mid Atlantic.
46.035 -11.055 in the Bay of Biscay
48.031 -22005 about the same spot, but a bit further out
43.026 -38.023 is in the Atlantic again
46.030 -03.008 is in the Bay of Biscay
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ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
I guess Pilar was a 38 footer?


Yes, this search confirms it:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=pilar+hemingway+38
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ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
Playing around with the numbers as coords,
EDIT for most likely:
34.057 -35.011 mid Atlantic.
46.035 -11.055 in the Bay of Biscay
48.031 -22005 about the same spot, but a bit further out
43.026 -38.023 is in the Atlantic again
46.030 -03.008 is in the Bay of Biscay


Coordinates of 5 well-known U-boat sinkings? Perhaps all based out of the french port of Lorient / Keroman. Don't know much about U-boats, but if they had some sort of number attached, the * and = suggest we should multiply out those numbers to get a result.
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Rogi Ocnorb
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This base is where the Nazis filled a Japanese Imerpial submarine with all their secrets for atomic weapons, aircraft design and about 40 Enigma machines and sent it off to Japan to share secrets with their only "ally".
"U" could be a reference to Unicode and we may be looking for a Japanese phrase in Kanji or something like that.

Edit: Okay, that may not have gone so well. (Wish I could tell. I don't even know if it's Japanese Wink). Hope this displays okay on the forum:











Edit2:
Bay of Biscay Sub Sinkings: http://www.uboat.net/maps/biscay.htm
From the mother site at: http://www.uboat.net/maps/index.html
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Hmm, all I can see are large question marks - which fit the situation as far as I'm concerned Smile

I was thinking the U**** just stood for UBOAT. See statement above.

U-Boat Operations: Sinkings Index

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Not loving the Japanese angle, I think we're most likely looking for 5 specific U-boat #s, probably sunk, probably operating out of Lorient. German U-boats have unique 3-4 digit codes assigned to them, so multiplying out 5 of them seems viable to get a numeric answer suitable as a key. The work is matching the co-ordinates to specific boats. This site:

http://uboat.net/flotillas/listing.htm

seems to have a pretty complete database of U-boats, and the ones that sank have the coordinates listed. They were organized in flotillas. The 2nd and 10th flotilla operated out of Lorient, but there were 91 and 80 U-boats assigned to these, so that's a lot of work to go through. If we can find one ore two, it may become clear they have something else in common. They were probably sunk as a result of Enigma, for starters. Smile

The 10th flotilla seems to be the better documented, and several of them even have wikipedia entries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10._Unterseebootsflottille
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tipsila wrote:
Hmm, all I can see are large question marks - which fit the situation as far as I'm concerned Smile


FWIW, it reads fine here, definitely seeing some asian characters, although 2 are question marks also. But I have the Japanese Character Encoding (EUC-JP) installed for some reason, using Firefox 2.0.0.4. Don't think it matters.
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Perko wrote:
ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
Playing around with the numbers as coords,
EDIT for most likely:
34.057 -35.011 mid Atlantic.
46.035 -11.055 in the Bay of Biscay
48.031 -22005 about the same spot, but a bit further out
43.026 -38.023 is in the Atlantic again
46.030 -03.008 is in the Bay of Biscay



Looks like the third digit, which is always a zero, actually translates into a period. Adjust your searches accordingly. And I've found one of the U-Boats:

U-608 - http://www.uboat.net/boats/u608.htm

Sank at 46.30N, 03.08W, so it's the last of the 5. It was part of 6th flotilla, so the boats we're looking for are not all from Lorient.
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