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rilode
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I found the word :

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Suvarov


I was looking for "live alone" "tom" on Google, and I went on http://www.privateislandsonline.com/tom-neale-1.htm
then, I entered
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Suvarov
on the main page and ... it worked !

Sorry for my english, I'm a french teenager Razz

(edited to fix spoiler at poster's request - enaxor)

(2nd moderator put the other occurance of the answer word in a 2nd spoiler tag -- catherwood)

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Rilode
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What a mistake on the spoiler ...
If a Admin could fix it, I would be nice

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Rogi Ocnorb
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We must have missed something in the clues.
Making a puzzle which is solved only by lucky Googling doesn't seem like our puzzlemaster's style.
The puzzles to this point have been much better constructed than that.

Tom Hanks, in Castaway? That's pretty lean, too.
The ISBN's I see don't match our last solve nor do the coordinates.
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ALISDAIRPARK
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Good solve, although how we got it with the clues...

Next puzzle, pic of a sub with some coords...
Quote:
N1310W1522
having played a bit it looks like either 1.310N and either 15.22W or 1.522W both are off the coast of Africa.
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Rogi Ocnorb
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Was hoping it might be the Momi, but the sinking occurred too far west to match our coordinates (Though the latitude is about right).

ETA: U-505 is an interesting bunch of coincidental matches, too.
The capture coordinates are not what we're looking for, but there is a mention of how it's capture allowed the allies to break the "coordinate" code. So maybe this puzzle plays games with the coordinates. I noticed the Momi reported her position a couple of thousand miles from where she really was before she was sunk. The Germans did the same kind of thing.
From the capture of the 505 we got lots of crypto information, codebooks and our first "current" Enigma machine. It is now a museum piece in Chicago, Illinois.
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GoodChild
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The name of the picture is "wreck," so maybe we're looking at a visible shipwreck, rather than a submarine sinking? I'm looking now...

I did find an interesting google earth community called "visible shipwrecks" but i could not for the life of me figure out how to search the thing.
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JohnnyTooBad
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Nothing so far, however, Wikipedia has a list of shipwrecks. Maybe someone else will have better luck with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shipwrecks

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Perko
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
We must have missed something in the clues.
Making a puzzle which is solved only by lucky Googling doesn't seem like our puzzlemaster's style.
The puzzles to this point have been much better constructed than that.


Agreed, rather disappointing solution to that one. The Tom in question is obviously
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Tom Neale
, but I don't imagine anybody around here has ever heard of this guy before. He doesn't fit the theme of Enigma in any way that I can see. And I don't understand how that text clue ties in except for the last 2 words of it, of which the second was apparently only an afterthought.

Maybe we were supposed to think thematically: any survivors of the sunken subs might have washed up on a desert island?
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Enigma B spec:

Can we even be sure this is a sub wreck? It's so grainy that is seems to me it could easily be a ship or even something large like a carrier. It could be a ship sunk by subs or otherwise lost during WW2.

The obvious solution to the coordinates, 13.10N and 15.22W puts us on land in the middle of nowhere in western Africa, so that can't be any good.

I still have that database of 1104 U-boat wrecks installed. There is only one anywhere near 1.310N and 1.522W, and it's not that close. Not a major WW2 conflict area. I don't think that's the way to read it, the coordinates generally have 2 decimal places, not 3.

Interestingly, I did find that U-1059 sank at 13.10N, 33.44W. There doesn't appear to be anything special about this particular sub. I had hoped to find another at 15.22W to match the other coordinate. There are several close to that, but nothing that matches exactly.

While the U-1059 latitude does match, this could well be just by chance. The lost sub latitudes range from 75N to 38S. So let's say there are about 11300 possible 4-digit latitudes vs 1104 data points = roughly 1/10 chance of this being pure coincidence.

I also thought about reading the coordinates backwards, 01.31N and 22.51W but didn't get anywhere with that. No subs near that.

Couple of more thoughts: the dimensions of the JPG are 646x303, which I found to be curious numbers. And there is currently "No more clue" for Enigma B in the table, which is odd. Maybe we got ahead of our PM...
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Rogi Ocnorb
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I've spent considerable time trying to backsolve Enigma A (In case it is needed for the current/any future puzzles) and am no closer to understanding it. Either from a crypto or a historical perspective.
FWIW, there's very little information on the ship that the island gets it's name from.

The excerpts from Tom Neal's book are an interesting read, though.

Edit: To clarify I was talking about the last puzzle.
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JohnnyTooBad
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I did a number of searches for any variations of the coords in Google Earth, and so far have nothing. Nonetheless, here are my findings, with which maybe someone can make better sense.

Coords 01.31N, 22.51W brought me close to the sunken U-1062 after turning on the Google Earth Community blips. Nothing I can make out of it yet, though.

Coords 0.131N, 22.51W brought me near (though not at all close) to Stier HSK-6, another German WWII vessel that was sunk. It was sunk by the SS Stephen Hopkins. Nothing has come of this either, unfortunately.

The coords with the closest blip is 1.310N, 15.22W, which is in proximity to an Inmarset satellite, the Inmarset 3-F2. Again, nothing.

I do hope someone else can make sense of all this. The coords I put were far from all the possibilities available, but most of the others bring me inland into Africa, where I doubt we would find anything important.

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presedo
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Ok, we found it ...
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It's in the Marshall islands
http://tinyurl.com/2oc27j

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Answer : Toreshima Maru


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grumpyboy
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is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that many of new hints have been found by people posting as "guest" and a couple of the solves seem to have come from nowhere... Confused

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grumpyboy wrote:
is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that many of new hints have been found by people posting as "guest" and a couple of the solves seem to have come from nowhere... Confused


Agreed, I have no idea where that last one came from, either. Presedo, can you explain how you managed to come across that? I could imagine somebody recognizing it if they're actually a wreck diver. It's also in the Google Earth Community: Visible Shipwreck Collection on page two, if somebody happened to think of digging through that. I just don't see what it has to do with the given coordinates, or Enigma. The Marshalls are not that close to the Cook Islands where the previous clue was.

It never even occurred to me that JPG was an aerial shot! It's a really shallow wreck, only partially submerged. I figured it was very deep. At least I was right that it didn't look much like a sub and in fact looked rather large.
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Don't worry grumpy, I'm pretty sure all these guest are coming from over here, a french site also following this thang.

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