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ez_zOOm
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Presedo is one of our French guy at scoopeo forum

http://www.scoopeo.com/insolite/69-78-73-71-77-65-2eme-partie

see, your not the only ones to search

(excuses my English, i am French too)

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sixsidedsquare wrote:
Don't worry grumpy, I'm pretty sure all these guest are coming from over here, a french site also following this thang.


Yup, looks like they're playing hard over there, too (/wave). Rilode & Presedo are both registered there. I guess they just beat us to it. I'm now Babelfishing their forum furiously to see if they have made any more sense out of the last 2 clues than we have.

Followup: Enigma B solve explanation:

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pirlouit pointed out that interpreting the N1320W1522 as 1320 Nautical Miles North and 1522 Nautical Miles West from Suvarov island puts you in the Marshall Islands. From that point on, it wouldn't have been hard to search for wrecks in the area.


And Enigma A baffles them just as much as it baffles us, they just got lucky googling various word combinations with Tom.
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 		Yeah, I don't get how they got this, either. Like Perko said, the coordinates, 13.10N and 15.22W puts us on land in the middle of nowhere in western Africa...

yesterday I found this, but didn't post, as it didn't seem to fit, but those coordinates are in Kolda, Senegal. I searched and found a ship named Kolda that was purchased and renamed Saint-Laurent du-Maroni.


ETA: thanks for the B solve explanation - I was confused.

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sixsidedsquare wrote:
Don't worry grumpy, I'm pretty sure all these guest are coming from over here, a french site also following this thang.


ahhhh, i see. that's cool! Very Happy

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 		I guess when i mentioned Google Earth's visible shipwreck site, i should have posted the link. Sorry about that!
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 		Many thanks, French team. Looks like we're all going to have to wait for more clues.

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 		Bump!

Minor update:
Enigma B has been updated with a new hint;
Quote:
FJL

Enigma C may have, as well. Though it may also just be a message to us;
Quote:
Be patient


No update on the Puzzle for Enigma C, yet.

ETA: Enigma D has a new "hint", as well.;
Quote:
Last Clue ?

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 		New puzzle's up.
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215 - 13.5.77


some egyptian text, a picture and some greek.

I would guess at the picture being Howard Carter, but it could be Rosetta stone related.

EDIT: If that's a date it doesn't tie in with significant events for the Rosetta, or for Howard Carter.

EDIT II: The greek is VLJJVZVHDDOHRFPXRW, if you transpose letter for letter
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ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
New puzzle's up.
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215 - 13.5.77


some egyptian text, a picture and some greek.

I would guess at the picture being Howard Carter, but it could be Rosetta stone related.

EDIT: If that's a date it doesn't tie in with significant events for the Rosetta, or for Howard Carter.

EDIT II: The greek is VLJJVZVHDDOHRFPXRW, if you transpose letter for letter


Well, the first picture is named coding.jpg , the second is named medal.jpg , and the third is named symbol.jpg if it helps at all.
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 		Just some observations.
I hope we don't have to translate the rearranged parts of the Rosetta Stone to get a message. That would be really hard given how it was rearranged.
The "medal" looks more like a 16th century explorer (Drake, Henry, Raleigh, et.al.)than Howard Carter.
"FJL" from the previous puzzle could stand for Franz Joseph Land".

Edit: Adding here, 'cause it really doesn't look like any help.
Adding or subtracting 215 years, months or days from the date don't seem to give much info.
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Just some observations.
I hope we don't have to translate the rearranged parts of the Rosetta Stone to get a message. That would be really hard given how it was rearranged.

Oh dear, I was just starting on that... Laughing

*gulps, first post*

Some quick notes on the Egyptian - it is indeed from the Rosetta stone. The cartouche is that of Ptolemy, and is taken from the 6th line down (if you include the fragment at the top). The other major (and legible) bit is taken from the beginning of lines 11 and 12 (read right to left). I'm just trying to match them up with a translation now, but my Egyptian is incredibly rusty so it might take a while.

I'm using this translation here, and working off this reasonably hi-res image as a comparison.

The image of the person is not of Jean-Francois Champollion or Thomas Young, two of the people influential in finding out how to read the Stone. I don't have any ideas on who it could be.

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ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
The greek is VLJJVZVHDDOHRFPXRW, if you transpose letter for letter
I was transposing letters using the Symbol font in Word, and as apcfreak_666 points out, the picture is called symbol.jpg. I suspect it is code, rather than Greek.

The picture looks very like some pictures of Sir Walter Raleigh, although I think it may be someone else, but that would put the date around 1600.
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 		I can't make heads or tails of any part of this thing. Scoopeo seems equally flummoxed so far. Somebody pointed out that some of the Greek letters are of a slighly different shade that the others which could means something.

ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
ALISDAIRPARK wrote:
The greek is VLJJVZVHDDOHRFPXRW, if you transpose letter for letter
I was transposing letters using the Symbol font in Word, and as apcfreak_666 points out, the picture is called symbol.jpg. I suspect it is code, rather than Greek.


I believe you are absolutely correct on this. The 3nd / 4th symbol does not appear in normal Greek alphabet tables from what I can tell. But it does appear in the the Word Symbol font. Since the picture filename is "symbol" this is an extremely strong hint in that direction. Presumably the resulting string, VLJJVZVHDDOHRFPXRW, is still crypto'ed. I tried Rot13 and then Caesar Cipher Rots for every other offset, but got nowhere. The letter shading could suggest something? Seems unlikely to be there unintentionally. I think we should focus on cracking this part since we seem to have a partial solution.

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The picture looks very like some pictures of Sir Walter Raleigh, although I think it may be someone else, but that would put the date around 1600.


All the Google early images of Water Raleigh show him with a distinct pointy beard. I can't imagine that is him on the medal. Flip it into its negative with some basic image processing software IrfanView and you will see. It is somewhat close to Carter, although his face was rounder. But the mustache is a very good match. However I agree that the image looks much more medieval than Carter's would be.

Do you guys think "FLJ" is part of this puzzle or not? It's attached to the previous puzzle step, not this one. This one says "Be patient". Could that itself be a clue? Presumably the PM would have used something else once the puzzle was up? Can anyone backsolve a relevance for FLJ with regard to Enigma B?
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 		went about it in a round about way but got there in the end... Very Happy

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the person in medal.jpg is Blaise de Vigenère, the French cryptographer after which the Vigenere cipher is named (thank you Rogi and Six! they used Vigenere's image in another puzzle a while ago)

vigenere cipher, using key "vigenere", VLJJVZVHDDOHRFPXRW decrypts to addfivedividebytwo

add 5, divide by 2 for each number in 215 - 13.5.77 gives 110 - 9.5.41

Googling gave me: May 9, 1941 - World War II: The German submarine U-110 is captured by the Royal Navy. On board is the latest Enigma cryptography machine which Allied cryptographers later use to break coded German messages.

More googling about U-110: She was commissioned November 21, 1940 with Kapitänleutnant Fritz-Julius Lemp in command.

So the FJL in the status log page is Fritz Julius Lemp, which is the answer.

no idea what the rosetta stone was for... Confused


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I'LL GIVE YOU LAST CLUE ON THIS PAGE IN 1 OR 2 DAYS


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