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[White District] - Blockrun [SOLVED]
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kayte.meyer
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Frequency Analysis

Hi all, so I'm new and started to take a look at this one, and ran a frequency analysis that was mentioned up above. Here's what it came up with:
FREQUENCIES(in %)
In Message In English
C: 11.3 e: 12.7
F: 9.4 t: 9.1
A: 7.5 a: 8.2
E: 7.5 i: 7.0
H: 7.5 n: 6.7
I: 7.5 o: 6.3
R: 7.5 h: 6.1
G: 5.7 r: 6.0
Q: 5.7 d: 4.3
S: 5.7 q: 4.3
B: 3.8 l: 4.0
D: 3.8 c: 2.8
K: 3.8 u: 2.8
M: 3.8 m: 2.4
L: 1.9 w: 2.3
N: 1.9 f: 2.2
O: 1.9 s: 2.2
P: 1.9 g: 2.0
T: 1.9 y: 2.0
J: 0.0 p: 1.9
U: 0.0 b: 1.5
V: 0.0 v: 1.0
W: 0.0 k: 0.8
X: 0.0 j: 0.2
Y: 0.0 x: 0.1
Z: 0.0 z: 0.1

Most common digraphs:

In message: FR, DE, HC, CQ, ES, SG, GK, KC, CN, NE

In English: th, he, in, er, ed, an, nd, ar, re, and en

Don't know if this gets us any further, but hey, any info on this one i think is a step forward...

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:26 pm
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Tordek
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Okay, scratch all your progress because it's been officially rendered useless.

Contact with Kropp has sent me to Lex, who in turn told me:

Quote:
Well, I've previously contacted the Public Services department about this task. Before allocating it to the TIA, they did decide that the individual blocks did not have enough data to represent a letter each. Their conclusion was that the rows of blocks were important, but they had no more information since they turned their attention to their regular duties once they gave away the task.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:50 pm
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jdcool29
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I too was given that information 3-4 weeks ago and it hasn't helped yet.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:52 pm
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Well I kinda figured that each block wasn't a letter since there where only 9 types of blocks. After that I thought about what had components of 9: which are a num pad and a phone pad. Useing those as keys I took the sum of each row and the stated diag. I think I'm on the right track, but everything I get is pretty much gibberish. the closest thing I got was taking the phone pad key with a diagonal sum and after trying a monoalphabetic cipher, I got "ridtheworlfdofthenmonstervbeoksbb" which I think might be close, but I have to play with it a bit more.

I tried "rid the world of the monster maxwell" (since maxwell was the only longer named charecter with a double letter ending). But that was a nogo.

I think I am on the right track, the message leads me to believe that the rows are what is to be summed rather than the diag.

The only thing else I can think is to take the 0(no blue)-8(all blue) ordering of the blocks, and sum them to get a letter. I'm gonna try and do that when I get a chance though.

However, why whould they have a 0 unless it was ment as a place holder. maybe the "raw" numbers of each line have a meaning.

Thoughts?? (hope this brings a lightblub over someones head.

*sorry for the long post*

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:38 pm
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Tordek
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0 is relative; it could very well be 1-9; and that would make the line that is currently "887" "998", 26, and that's the biggest number of the list.

Long shot, but possible

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:55 pm
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notgordian
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While 0 is relative, there are actually 10 different types of blocks--remember, there are all blue and all brown blocks.

That "rid the world of the monster maxwell" thing sounds ridiculously close. It's a shame it didn't work.

As for things to do with large numbers, if the 0s are placeholders it would only be possible to be dealing with ASCII code if we're dealing with smaller numbers, I think. Interesting idea to try summing lines for results, though.

/me adds nothing to this conversation

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:17 pm
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Tordek
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notgordian wrote:
While 0 is relative, there are actually 10 different types of blocks--remember, there are all blue and all brown blocks.


Not 10; 9: 0 eighths to 8 eighths.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:58 pm
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notgordian
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Wow...I am out of it today R.I.P.. You're right, Tordek.

Heh...I said I wasn't adding anything to the conversation.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:37 pm
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kayte.meyer
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What if???

Ok, so what if we're all looking at this wrong...What if it's not a ten key from a phone, but a 10 key from a keyboard? The numbers would be reversed, correct? Just a thought, but they said that someone lugged 15 year old equipment to the roof, and wouldn't they logically need a keyboard to operate it?

Dunno, just like I said, a big what if? I'll work with it and see what I can come up with...

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:15 pm
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Re: What if???

kayte.meyer wrote:
Ok, so what if we're all looking at this wrong...What if it's not a ten key from a phone, but a 10 key from a keyboard? The numbers would be reversed, correct? Just a thought, but they said that someone lugged 15 year old equipment to the roof, and wouldn't they logically need a keyboard to operate it?

Dunno, just like I said, a big what if? I'll work with it and see what I can come up with...


See my last post on the previous page. Smile

Hate to see someone redoing the work i did >.<

Also, here are the strings from 0-8 or 1-9, if anyone is interested:

1-9 straight EZPGJILBDPXLPMXKNHNOHGHIMRXJI
1-9 diagonal EFNUKMFDJHLLXLLURQKKILQHICOUSPAA
0-8 straight DVNFHGIABMTIMJTILEKLEJFFFJOUHF
0-8 diagonal DELRIJDBHFJIUHIRONIHFINFFALRPM

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:36 pm
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Adding this in:

This is the Excel file I'm using to easly transition between all the different number combonations (phone/numpad/0-8/1-9...ect)

The base I used was if it was a num pad with 5 being an empty square.

The 2nd column "transform" can be changed by changing the second column of the key, and you can change the number > letter conversion by changing the letters in the "substitution" area.

Everything autochanges with the changes in the key and substitution.

I hope this helps... someone...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:47 pm
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kayte.meyer
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So I was doing some more research on this, thinking that I'd seen it somewhere before.

Anyways, take a look at this website, maybe it will ring a few bells for someone else. I haven't had a chance to try and break anything yet, but maybe it will help us get farther.

http://www.levitated.net/daily/lev9block.html

Seems like some of the symbols he's using ar similar to the ones of this nature.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:56 pm
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Unicode?

Does anyone else think this looks a lot like Unicode block elements? See http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2580.pdf

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:47 pm
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VQ.Wavecrest
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But Unicode has no triangles.
Aw... I was hoping that was it! Very Happy

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:10 pm
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Just brainstorming - any chance "fifteen-year-old technology" could be a clue? This makes the year the technology came out 2022. Any common decryption/encryption program have 2022 in its title that uses these types of blocks?

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