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Sarah B
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myf wrote:
I've already mentioned that I'd expect it to be in Swindon (where the books are set) - certainly other Fforde events have taken place there, such as the Fforde Ffestival in 2005.

Just so you know, the ffestival was fan-organised.

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Although Jasper Fforde books would indeed be filed under E-F, I don't think they're usually under "Classics" (sorry, Mr Fforde!), though I do know that different shops file him under all sorts of different categories, so it's possible.

I don't think that matters, since his books are concerned in large part with experiencing the classics.

If it is Ffordian, my question is why is it happening? Fictional characters aren't supposed to be able to jump to the outland.
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 		I know it was the fans who organised the Fforde Ffestival, but I understand they had a lot of input and help from JF (I went - it was great fun, and quite possibly the oddest birthday I've had Very Happy ). I just don't see why this, if it is a Ffordian thing, would be in London. Swindon has plenty of scope for running around doing weird things.

The other point you raise wasn't terribly well explained by me - I was just trying to work out why it happened at that point, in that place. I assumed both the letters and section would be significant, but can't work out why the combination (of E-F in Classics) caused these people to appear.

And Mokey, the phrasing of that post bothered me too. It sounds very different from the others.

I'm still pondering all this, but I'm really not sure about the Fforde idea. Mind you, if it is Ffordian, I'm going to be hoping for dodos appearing pretty soon Laughing

Anyone got any other possibilities for this? I don't think we want to get stuck in a certain mindset, as the connection still seems fairly tenuous to me.
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 		Did any of the people who said the emailed her ever get a response?


After Heathcliff dies, Nelly Dean reports that various superstitious locals have claimed to see Catherine and Heathcliff's ghosts roaming the moors.
(from Wikipedia)


I just found what looks like a "prototype" blog for amy, it says the same things with a few variations, but it says they all happened May 23. I'm sure it's not ment to be seen since the other blog says it happened June 1.
The developers should probably get rid of that.

http://bibolophile.blogspot.com/2007/05/title-here.html

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The blanks in the copy of Wuthering Heights kind of make sense, but only because the book would be rewriting itself. Once that was done, the text would be there, just different from before.


Whilst that makes sense, we only know that the bride and groom have 'escaped' from their book. Yet as stingray pointed out - 8 people are missing from the current copy of the book.

Could this mean that there are more characters that have travelled across??

Maybe they got bored of doing the same thing over and over again, and rebelled...


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They appeared from nowhere, like they were just written into existence seconds before I turned into the aisle. They were looking at the book that had just fallen like they were amazed it was there, then stared at me with equal uncertainty.
{taken from the other blog of amy's}

That kind of suggests they didn't mean to come out of the book and it was an accident

Also - I suppose them coming out of it would have thrown it from the shelf (to find a reason as to why the book 'leapt' from the shelf)

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 		(from her 3rd June entry)
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no doubt some hackneyed, bowdlerised version of her song

...makes me think Ffordian again...

Still, I do understand your point about Swindon. Also, this doesn't seem to me to be the way Fforde would launch something like this; I'd expect to see mention of it on his website, or at least on the Fforum.

Oh, and I apologise for the short, unexplained nature of my earlier posts. I was posting on my mobile, and it's a right pain typing anything long on there! Smile
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 		Hey guys, looks like ive been pipped to the punch on this one (is that even a real phrase?)

Found it in Foyles today on the information desk, but I hadnt actually had time to check it out before finding it posted about here. Looks like my arg radar is not working today. But hey, it's the first time ive found a rabbit hole, even if im not the first one on the scene..

Anyway im London based so I can try to find time to go and check out anything that happens.
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 		Cool, a London based player!

Can you go and see if that copy of Wuthering Heights is there?
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The comment on Amy's last post (on Monday 11th June) wrote:
KGB said...

Well, this Sunday afternoon the book seemed to have gone...
17 June 2007 14:49

Though maybe they just didn't look properly or in the right place. Or the book could dis- and reappear. Or something Confused
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 		Phasing between realties, as it were?

Sounds plausible to me. Smile
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 		Well, if people can appear from nowhere (and quite possibly vanish just as easily) I don't see any reason why books shouldn't too.

Nicking the list that stingray came up with the other day
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Also, from the last blog post, I thought it might be useful to make a list of the characters in Wuthering Heights. The struck out ones are the ones that have been removed from the book that Amy found in the bookshop.

Catherine
Heathcliff
Edgar Linton
Nelly Dean
Lockwood
Hareton Earnshaw
Cathy
Hindley Earnshaw
Linton Heathcliff
Isabella Linton
Mr. Earnshaw
Mrs. Earnshaw
Joseph
Frances Earnshaw
Mr. Linton
Mrs. Linton
Zillah
Mr. Green

For more background on these characters this link might be useful:

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/wuthering/characters.html
do we have a resident Wuthering Heights expert round here who could tell us if there are any links or commonalities between either the disappeared ones or those who remain?
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 		Sorry for double posting, but I've had a reply back.

This is what I sent yesterday:
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It certainly sounds rather strange (not that I'm doubting that it happened, or what you've said about the events), and would be happy to help in whatever way I can to resolve this, as I'm rather fond of "unexplained phenomena". I wasn't in the area at the time, but will help to spread the word. I noticed from your blog that you haven't posted anything for a week - is everything ok? Or has there just not been any news?

The picture of the bride looks somewhat similar to the Tim Burton film "The Corpse Bride". Could she have been someone in fancy dress for a party or something? It seems unlikely, but other than that I've got no ideas about either of them.

If you've had any more thoughts about the whole thing, or any more leads, do please let me know.

myf


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Thank you for getting in touch. Sorry, I've not posted anything for a while, things have been a bit frenetic this week and I've been distracted... because I think I have a lead. Well, I'm not sure whether I'm barking up the wrong tree, in fact, at the moment my theory seems a little ridiculous and I don't want to say what it is in case I'm wrong - it is a little far-fetched. However, I shall keep you posted, if I'm right you may be able to help!

As far as the fancy-dress idea - I can't rule it out, but I've a hunch they were dressed as themselves. Fingers crossed, I might find one of them to actually find out.

Thanks for you interest,

Amy

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 		I had a reply also

me:

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I was reading your blog earlier, and was wondering whether it could be possible that the bride and groom were from inside of a book - it might seem a bit far fetched, but you mentioned that the section you were in was the E-F section. There is a series of books written by Jasper Fforde, where the characters of the book could come out of their books, into the real world. Could it be possible that this has happened here?

The book that fell on the floor - can you remember which book it was? It might help us solve this mystery.

Also, I don't know if you have noticed, but apparently the "unauthorised copy of Wuthering Heights" has disappeared from the bookshop.


her reply:

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Thank you for getting in touch.

I've haven't been able to check the book, when I go in to work I'll ask around to see if anyone has it. I should have kept it.

And you're not the first person to ask which book came off the shelf - it was 'If on a Winter's Night a Traveller' by Italo Calvino - does this mean anything to you? Interesting about the Jasper Fforde books - but I really did see them, that is what is puzzling me. I am sure that they were real...

But things have been frenetic this week... I think I might have a lead. At the moment my theory seems a little ridiculous and I don't want to say what it is in case I'm wrong - it is also far-fetched. However, I shall keep you posted, if I'm right maybe you could help?!


Anyone know why If on a Winter's Night a Traveller is special? Anyone read it? Im guessing there is a bride and groom in it...

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myf wrote:
do we have a resident Wuthering Heights expert round here who could tell us if there are any links or commonalities between either the disappeared ones or those who remain?


I'm not an expert but I've read it 2 or 3 times. I can't see any particular connection between the characters that are crossed off or those that remain. The ones crossed off are most of the major characters but really Joseph and possibly Isabella and Linton Heathcliff would be considered major characters too Confused .

I don't see any indication that the bride and groom are Cathy and Heathcliff. For one thing, Cathy and Heathcliff never marry each other. Cathy leaves Heathcliff to marry Edgar Linton; for the most part it's a relatively happy marriage and at no point is she an abandoned bride. Heathcliff elopes with Edgar's sister Isabella in revenge but she quickly abandons him. As far as I can recall, there aren't any abandoned brides in the novel at all.

Also, their ages are totally wrong. Cathy is a year younger than Heathcliff - our mysterious bride is described as about 15 years older than her groom.

I'm trying to think of other abandoned brides in classic literature. Like Myf said, Miss Havisham is the one that immediately springs to mind but she would be much older. I'll post if I remember any.
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I pretty much got the same reply as Cows did about the book which is all about 'a reader trying to read a book called If on a winter's night a traveler. The first chapter and every odd numbered chapter are in second person, and tell the reader what they are doing to get ready to read the next chapter. The even numbered chapters are all single chapters from whichever book the reader is trying to read."
If you got to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_On_a_Winter's_Night_a_Traveler or http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780156439619-3 you can get an idea of what the book is about - and it seems really interesting, might have to grab a copy one day Very Happy

On the Wuthering Heights - have to agree with Echnida - the bride and groom thing seem out of place to belong to that book. The only two that 'run away' are Heathcliff and Isabella Linton to get married but they come back and the ages are wrong.

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 		It just occurred to me,

If on a Winter's Night a Traveller by Italo Calvino.

Why would that be in the E - F section of a book store. And why would it be in classics ???

It must be important though, books don't just randomly fly off their shelves - just don't know how important yet...

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