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[OnyxW_Hun]

I have a theory that this is not simply an other timeline. I guess it's not really a parallel dimension either. It has no logic with simply appearing information, memories, etc. Maybe it was a parallel dimension or an alternate timeline in the past (I'll call alternate timeline where the two timelines have the same starts no matter if it was changed by a time hopper or not) - but it lost its logic now.
It might fall into parts soon by these effects?
People kept their memories because they were related to Jake. It doesn't answer why Meghan or Caretaker doesn't remember them anymore. Maybe their subconsious made it hidden.
Other "intelligent" people doesn't remember the other timeline because
a) The two timelines have no differences for them.
b) They had no connection with Jake (The hopper).
Is it possible that knowing Jake our mind got related with him and he dragged us to this universe? (See Phylotes in Orson Scott Card's Novel - Ender's Game 2(?))
I wonder what happens in the original timeline? Are we missing there, or do we normally act there too?

[rose]

Onyx- That is a novel theory, and anything could happen at this point. I liked Ender's Game too. (in fact the whole series)

[katya2032]

[mysteryjones]

correction?

[MageSteff]

Re: correction?

[PastaBagel]

THEY CALL ME PASTABAGEL

I WILL CONTRIBUTE THE FOLLOWING:

1. It is possible that we have travelled in time, not Jake. That is why only we remember everything, but no one else.

2. Caretaker asked "What has changed?" He is referring to past documents, pages, sites that are different now than before. Have you identified any.

3. I am curious about Jake's name. The series "The Dark Tower" includes a pivotal character named Jake who passes back and forth between times and parallel worlds at moments of death (like Acheron Jake getting shot at). Jake is crossing the street in our world when the MAN IN BLACK pushes him into traffic. Jake escapes death by crossing over to the mid world, which has "moved on". Jake has no memory of the original world. Jake then dies again in mid-world, only to pass back to the original world at a point in time before he died. He has a vague memory of mid-world, and the MAN IN BLACK tries to kill him again. He consciously crosses over to midworld again, but now he has full recollection of everything. Does our Jake need to jump again?

4. Do you trust the caretaker? Why? Does he trust us?

5. Caretaker works at the agency and complains about those damn liberals at state talking too much. What are they talking about?

6. What are we trying to do now?

THEY CALL ME PASTABAGEL

[Sunny du Pree]

[MageSteff]

[ThomasRStevenson]

I asked this once before, but I didn't get an answer , so I'm asking again.

I don't understand time machines very well. If someone jumps to a time while they are still alive (someone gos back in time a few weeks, months, etc.), do they replace the version of themself that is already there (there is never more than one of them at a time), or are there two seperate persons (the original person plus the jumper)?

I always assumed there would be two persons, the original person plus the time jumper, but it seems in this case we only have one person with both sets of memories.

I am very confused by this. If I jumped back to a time when I was only two years old, would that mean I was now only two years old as well??? It would also mean that no one could jump farther back in time then the time of their birth.

Sometimes I think I'm looking to hard into the game, but it is little things like this that confuse me.

[scrivener22]

[MageSteff]

Meta: Time travel paradoxes

[ThomasRStevenson]

Thanks, that helps a great deal. It will be interesting to determine how/why Jake has both sets of memories!

[dmax]

The whole concept of time travel forgets the physics of the transport, in most cases. If you simplify it (Quantum Leap) there's a straightforward swap and you can ignore the rest of this.

Otherwise, if I sent something back in time, it would appear in some physical space. That space is already occupied, at least with air molecules. How does time travel, without a direct swap, allow for the simultaneous occupation of a space with the original molecules and the traveler's molecules?

Not only is there air, but microscopic life in the air. Is it swapped or integrated?

Does the time transport simply place the traveller in the same physical space, but at a different time - which is how Jules Verne did it in Time Machine? Or does he travel to a different physical place?

If there's travel to a different place, then there's the issue of the ground and the interface of the traveler and where his feet land. If he lands above the grass, then he would fall an inch or whatever and press down on the ground. If he appears at ground level, what happens to the grass that was protruding above ground level? Is it integrated into his feet, or transported back as part of the swap? If the time spanned is significant, isn't there slight erosion or other change in the topography - towards or away from the traveler's feet?

It sounds a bit like that great B&W movie "The Fly" where the man is merged with something else, becoming a single object. OTOH, the final result of that wasn't so wonderful... Jake - be my guest at hopping...

[OnyxW_Hun]

You must also calculate on earth moving around the sun and sun moving in the universe. I've read a novel where they went back in time and found out they can't go forward, so they calculated how much they have to go back to have sun and earth at the same place (one turn in our galaxy) to survive.