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J2G
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thanks for the tip HitsHerMark

I can now do the attachment thing, but... erm... i got nothing else to attach yet...

Now to be fair, i have played the halo games, but am not a mega halo geek, but i like mystery and graphics, so i am involved for that reason.

I can guarentee that these paths are NOT left over by accident from any image editing or creating. The are there on purpose, no one would create paths, then rotate them and resize them and move them around like that before saving the image off in a jpg format that includes the path information, also, note the names: Path 1, Path 2 and Work path (these path names may not be just generated by the graphics software...).

Path 1 and 2 end up overlaying each other, and work path is some where separate...? it sounds like providence morpheous...

The slide refers to containment, maybe the paths are an attempt to do just that.

Back over to you guys...

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Schmeck
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I can guarentee that these paths are NOT left over by accident from any image editing or creating. The are there on purpose, no one would create paths, then rotate them and resize them and move them around like that before saving the image off in a jpg format that includes the path information, also, note the names: Path 1, Path 2 and Work path (these path names may not be just generated by the graphics software...).


Based on the other metadata mess-ups and the lack of any other obvious clues that have been hidden in files such as this one, I can confidently say the paths were left in there accidentally/haphazardly. The paths were most likely used to draw a selection area so image adjustments could be performed on a specific section of the image.

And yes, the Path 1, Path 2, and Work path names are generated/default names for newly created paths.

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J2G
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ooooo k... why go to the effort of rotating, scaling and moving the paths... and then forget to remove them?? makes NO sense... plus, the areas that the paths match to are not special in anyway (graphically) you would require many more paths to create of edit such an image...

..and the image tags were also NOT left in there by accident, since if the graphic artist went to the effort of stealing someone elses image, manipulating it using paths.. the would likely save it off as a PSD, and then export , save as or save for web... which would not pass on the metadata from the original.

*print this post, find your pipe, stuff paper in pipe, and light...* (meant humourously, no malice, promise.)

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J2G wrote:
ooooo k... why go to the effort of rotating, scaling and moving the paths... and then forget to remove them?? makes NO sense... plus, the areas that the paths match to are not special in anyway (graphically) you would require many more paths to create of edit such an image...

..and the image tags were also NOT left in there by accident, since if the graphic artist went to the effort of stealing someone elses image, manipulating it using paths.. the would likely save it off as a PSD, and then export , save as or save for web... which would not pass on the metadata from the original.

*print this post, find your pipe, stuff paper in pipe, and light...*


Please state your opinion without the use of sarcasm. There's no reason to get in a twist, everyone is speculating. You make a decent point but getting flamey with your second post on your account won't make you any friends.
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Schmeck
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J2G wrote:
ooooo k... why go to the effort of rotating, scaling and moving the paths... and then forget to remove them?? makes NO sense... plus, the areas that the paths match to are not special in anyway (graphically) you would require many more paths to create of edit such an image...

..and the image tags were also NOT left in there by accident, since if the graphic artist went to the effort of stealing someone elses image, manipulating it using paths.. the would likely save it off as a PSD, and then export , save as or save for web... which would not pass on the metadata from the original.


Because the paths weren't rotated, scaled and moved...the underlying image was, after whatever adjustments were made. Look at where Path 1 lines up with the image. You can tell it was used to cut out a section of the lighter blue band because the quality of the edge there is different...it looks cut out and some parts are even sharp.

The image tags point to a rights-managed image collection on Getty Images..not exactly Forerunner technology.

You would assume they would Save for Web, because that would make the most sense. But, it looks like they just did a Save As...because all of that info is intact.

I appreciate the effort, but there hasn't been anything presented so far that would show that the PMs have a mastery of hiding metadata.

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Re: Look at the bigger picture of where we got the informati

DigitalDWR wrote:

Forerunner - This could be the last transmisson of the person / team that fired off the halos. He is describing how energetic and tenacious life ( human race and all living things around it ) and it has its worst anithesis ( the flood). and says the Flood is the thing that must be destroyed.


From the perspective of the Gravemind, the *Flood* is tenacious life and the Halos would be the antithesis of that Life.

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J2G
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Apologies for shirtyness... it was meant purely humourously, and with no malice at all.

No hard feelings.

mmm, this whole image, path rotating thing is getting silly. The graphic artist may have done many wierd things regarding paths (depending on how weird they are) but i find it unlikely that anyone would draw a path to manipulate a part of an image, then leave the path as it is, and rotate the image 169degrees (or whatever it is) and scale it a bit, only to draw another path on it, and manipulate that, then repeat the process once more.

Infact the 1st suggestion of the artist manovering the paths is more likely than that.

I believe that the paths are there on purpose, like the guides in the starimage1.. both laid there for someone to stumble over, and discuss in these sorts of places.

I suppose if no one can figure out the connections, then it doesn't matter if they were put there on purpose or not.

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Urk
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Re: Look at the bigger picture of where we got the informati

guided wrote:
From the perspective of the Gravemind, the *Flood* is tenacious life and the Halos would be the antithesis of that Life.


I don't think we can make any assumptions about Gravemind at this point. We just don't know what it's motives are.

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violentvixen
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Man, I'm off for one night and they use EM pictures that relate to biology, which is what I do all day. Grr. Although despite what the header says I don't think that's an SEM picture. It doesn't look the way SEM tends to.

My guess is that's it's a negatively stained TEM picture, around 5000x. But the gradient of stain is unusual for an EM picture.

Also, I haven't seen much discussion of what the labels on the axes mean. HR 568 makes me think of a certain type of stain, although then it probably isn't a TEM picture but is instead a light microscopy picture with black and white output. CnRL-Infc relates to infections, but I think the values on the legend are very important. I'm going to think about these a bit more, I think there's a hint in the lack of units and clear descriptors.

I just also want to note that bacteria can also be used as expression vectors. You can engineer bacteria to express a certain compound that could be released into a system or harvested.

Of course, you can also engineer bacteria to be resistant, as was noted elsewhere. These engineered bacteria could be used to outcompete something else, perhaps the flood? Or maybe the flood were originally engineered to outcompete something else.

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ionfromneon
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Ha anyone looked at the other pictures or information on the (?) monitor? There's a movie with GS in it and these
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ionfromneon
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And this
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ionfromneon
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I just realized there's a whole other topic on the star picture. Sorry about that.

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Re: Look at the bigger picture of where we got the informati

Urk wrote:
guided wrote:
From the perspective of the Gravemind, the *Flood* is tenacious life and the Halos would be the antithesis of that Life.


I don't think we can make any assumptions about Gravemind at this point. We just don't know what it's motives are.


Gravemind is an/the intelligence form of the Flood. It absorbs all knowledge assimilated through Flood infection of sentient life. It's purpose is to absorb all intelligence in the galaxy. An AI would have a similar goal in theory since one would assume it hungers for knowledge. This could be why Cortana had no problems answering Gravemind's questions at the end of Halo 2.

What's really racking my brains though is if the Halo's were the Sword of the Forerunner, why the hell would they bother making a life supporting environment ON Halo?

Were the Halos labs with failsafes?

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HaloPlayer
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Looks like, and the wildlife on Halos tend to be very small

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Violentvixen,

I too am in the biological fields, and this is most definitely not an SEM photo. However, in the metadata of the image, the title "BC3779-001" and a description of Streptococcus "pyrogens" is made. The author is "S. Lowry/univ. Ulster." This is intriguing because S. pyrogens is not a species, and it isn't worded as if we are actually looking at true pyrogens. Typo, maybe? I think so, since S. pyogenes is a species.

Also, you should go to getty images and look at the "original" S. Lowry BC3779-001 that IS an SEM photo.

http://creative.gettyimages.com/source/classes/FrameSet.aspx?&UQR=betxxk&pk=4&source=front&lightboxView=1&txtSearch=bc3779-001&selImageType=7&chkLicensed=on&chkRoyaltyFree=on&chkNLM=on

That's the link. See? An SEM of Streptococcus pyogenes, so it was probably an original typo. The thing that bugs me is that it's clearly not a starting point to make this photo!

These metadata are a strange situation, whether they were left in or planted. Very confusing.

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