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[SPEC] Chronology Speculation (Halo firing/Comic)
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Jordan117 wrote:
Heh... Google's index doesn't work *that* quickly. I just used the conversion/calculation function that's built into it. You'd said it'd been 100K years "give or take 500", so I wanted to nail down the exact timing of it using AR's information.


Gotcha. It's in the wikibruce summary as well.

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 		I've been posting as a guest for a week and a half now but I finally decided to register. So Hi, I'm Mike from Saint Louis.

Now for on topic......
I've always been a big Halo fan and from my understanding of the cannon, what we know of the ARK is that it was built to protect from the firing of the Halos and also possibly a control center. Now I always kind of assumed (bad I know) that the ARK was a physical "structure" of some sort that the Forrunners/ early humans took cover in. Kind of a shielded bunker type deal.

In the Halo3 announcement trailer we see the structure in the crater lift out of the ground and open up. After it opens, a beam of energy erupts out of the center.

Now I go out on a limb.......We do know the Forrunners had "Force Field" type technology because we also know that all of the Covenant's technology is Forrunner Technology that they have found but, even in the game manuals (where I haven't looked lately and might right now), "haven't quite figured out". Well, in game, the Covenant have energy shields which means the Forrunners did too. What if the Ark generates a shield around the entire Earth which allowed ALL life to continue unaffected on our planet. In game we have been led to believe that the Forrunners WERE human as Guilty Spark 343 and the monitor in Halo2 (I can't remember his name right off "something 2401") both said they hadn't seen us (humans) in eons. The Covenant could then be explained as the evolution of whatever little critters were not able to sustain the flood and therefore unaffeted by the Halos firing.

Just my $.02
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StlMikeD wrote:
I've been posting as a guest for a week and a half now but I finally decided to register. So Hi, I'm Mike from Saint Louis.

Now for on topic......
I've always been a big Halo fan and from my understanding of the cannon, what we know of the ARK is that it was built to protect from the firing of the Halos and also possibly a control center. Now I always kind of assumed (bad I know) that the ARK was a physical "structure" of some sort that the Forrunners/ early humans took cover in. Kind of a shielded bunker type deal.

In the Halo3 announcement trailer we see the structure in the crater lift out of the ground and open up. After it opens, a beam of energy erupts out of the center.

Now I go out on a limb.......We do know the Forrunners had "Force Field" type technology because we also know that all of the Covenant's technology is Forrunner Technology that they have found but, even in the game manuals (where I haven't looked lately and might right now), "haven't quite figured out". Well, in game, the Covenant have energy shields which means the Forrunners did too. What if the Ark generates a shield around the entire Earth which allowed ALL life to continue unaffected on our planet. In game we have been led to believe that the Forrunners WERE human as Guilty Spark 343 and the monitor in Halo2 (I can't remember his name right off "something 2401") both said they hadn't seen us (humans) in eons. The Covenant could then be explained as the evolution of whatever little critters were not able to sustain the flood and therefore unaffeted by the Halos firing.

Just my $.02
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I think you are on the right track, but I think we should think smaller scale. If it encompassed an entire planet (Earth) the Flood could easily be shielded as well. I think a small containment unit that could be locked down against flood infection could contain a small shielded unit using the technique you described. It could either then be transported away or left intact while the rest of the galaxy was cleansed. Of course a very small containment unit could only contain a limited amount of content. Perhaps DNA samples? After the effect of the array wore off, machines could go about the harvest.

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 		That is assuming that the Flood were on Earth. I'm not so sure they were. I would think the Forrunners would have been smart enough to not study them here or at least protected some of their planets. Kinda like not letting the guy with TB off the plane from Europe.

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StlMikeD wrote:
That is assuming that the Flood were on Earth. I'm not so sure they were. I would think the Forrunners would have been smart enough to not study them here or at least protected some of their planets. Kinda like not letting the guy with TB off the plane from Europe.


Sure, but keep in mind the array is a last resort, as in, "Holy crap, we can't stop the Flood, time to kill everything."

I'm not saying that they were on Earth, just that it would be foolish (and maybe even impossible) to shield an entire planet.

But I'm just giving my thoughts and opinion. Don't let me stop you. Smile

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 		They did it with the Death Star. Laughing

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 		I bet some of the Flood used to bullseye womprats back home in their T-16's.

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Jordan117 wrote:
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From the Halo books we know that humanity was found on other planets once humans started colonizing other planets. It is possible that the Forerunners seeded humans on other planets, likely saved by shield worlds like Onyx, to make sure that we survived.

I'm pretty sure that's false. The only time I've heard of "indigenous humanity" was in the Cortana letters, and that is generally considered non-canon, as they were written even before the first game was released.

My theory about timing: the Halos were fired 100,000 years before the events of the Halo games. Keep in mind that they take place more than 500 years hence. So, when the comic tells us (in 2007) that it is depicting Earth 100,000 years ago, that would still be ~500 years before the firing of the Halos. So the "Gods" shown are probably just Forerunner machinery constructing the Ark in preparation for any "last resort".


From the books it says they were surprised to find humanity on other planets and that they called them "Lost Colonies." I believe that was in the Fall of Reach. The books are Canon, but only as long as Bungie feels it should be. This game could invalidate the books. Don't know yet, but I always just assumed that such things were taken from the Halo bible.

You're second paragraph I completely agree with.
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Shadowkiller wrote:
From the books it says they were surprised to find humanity on other planets and that they called them "Lost Colonies." I believe that was in the Fall of Reach. The books are Canon, but only as long as Bungie feels it should be. This game could invalidate the books. Don't know yet, but I always just assumed that such things were taken from the Halo bible.

Though it's been a few months since I read the books, I'm almost positive that they said no such thing, and a quick search of discussion on HBO confirms it. The only thing like "lost colonies" in the books that I can remember would be rebels and pirates that had broken off of the UNSC and set up their own strongholds on remote planets and asteroids and such. After the Covenant wiped out the Outer Colonies, a few of these folks survived, and essentially went into hiding, escaping notice of both the Covies and the human military. But again, there's no mention of *native* humans outside of the Cortana Letters.

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Jordan117 wrote:
Shadowkiller wrote:
From the books it says they were surprised to find humanity on other planets and that they called them "Lost Colonies." I believe that was in the Fall of Reach. The books are Canon, but only as long as Bungie feels it should be. This game could invalidate the books. Don't know yet, but I always just assumed that such things were taken from the Halo bible.

Though it's been a few months since I read the books, I'm almost positive that they said no such thing, and a quick search of discussion on HBO confirms it. The only thing like "lost colonies" in the books that I can remember would be rebels and pirates that had broken off of the UNSC and set up their own strongholds on remote planets and asteroids and such. After the Covenant wiped out the Outer Colonies, a few of these folks survived, and essentially went into hiding, escaping notice of both the Covies and the human military. But again, there's no mention of *native* humans outside of the Cortana Letters.


I could be remembering wrong, I haven't read them in awhile, but I am almost positive there is a mention of it somewhere in of the books. Since I can't find anything I am probably wrong. I am just wondering what the heck I could have gotten it confused with. I think I am going to have to reread the novels again.
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 		I also remember nothing about this in the books, and I think I would remeber it if it was there, but I could be wrong.

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 		They're mentioned in the Cortana letters and nowhere else, IIRC. But I don't think that invalidates them straight away because it doesn't seem like the kind of detail Bungie would just abandon. Obviously we're not in a position to know, but it's certainly possible given that we wouldn't be alive if the Halo Array had duly performed its prescribed duty of wiping out all Flood hosts.

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StlMikeD wrote:

I'm not saying that they were on Earth, just that it would be foolish (and maybe even impossible) to shield an entire planet.


Onyx or "Shield World". Which, btw, can be seen in the Marathon Man recut video (it's the giant hollowed out sphere). With it, they created an entire dimension with a planet surrounding a star, ala PREY (I think it's called a Dyson Sphere).

Also, you have to remember that the Forerunner were incredibly advanced in their technology, and that the Flood gain the intelligence of what they absorb (see: Infinite Succor). Therefore, we can assume that the flood that existed before the Halos fired would have been super-intelligent, like the Gravemind. That would also give them access to all of the Forerunner teleportation arrays and the uber-fast Forerunner ships.

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Phyltre wrote:
but it's certainly possible given that we wouldn't be alive if the Halo Array had duly performed its prescribed duty of wiping out all Flood hosts.


Unless we were just a couple of thousand sperm and egg samples at the time. Then we wouldn't fit the biomass criteria of the Halo pulse.

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What if the ark was used to protect the earth, so humans could evolve (with a push in the right direction from the ancients) and certain programmes were left to monitor their progress. If all bacteria were safe from the effects of the halo, then over 100,000 years they'd evolve possibly leading to a defense against the flood. It would be like a self sufficient lab really. Which would make a sensible back up plan if you couldn't be 100% certain the flood would be destroyed by the halos.
Also dont forget Sgt. Johnson is immune to the flood and he's of African descent

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