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SOLVED! (no, really) - Reggie's blog (Jan 19, 2004)
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Flynn
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Here *passes over a straw* have another that I've just spent an hour grasping at. If you ignore the rows that have zodiac signs in them and list the remaining letters you get:

Inner circle: b d z t k m s (p/f) q (sh)
Outer circle: (sh) q o n l (y/l) (ch) (vau) d b

So, with mounting excitement, I noticed that the first and last two letters of each circle match. "Yes", thought I, "progress!". Then I remembered that the two rows were in reverse order. Anyone got a spare straw?

Seriously though, the fact that this match happens only in the first and last two letters may have some significance... or not. *sigh* Could someone with more brain than me please solve this. Pretty please. With roses, and everything Confused

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:33 pm
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Magesteff wrote:

Maybe I'm grsping at straws, but does it strike anyone else as odd that the hebrew letters in the "Zodiac" circles do not follow the same order as the "inner" circle? The order in the Zodiac circles is not even just a matter of shifting over a few spaces as if it was a rot-x, it... wait, its Backwards order....


The inner circle is the alphabet clockwise and the outer circles are the alphabet counter-clockwise, I think gb pointed that out in one of his first post. I think another name for how it is listed in the wheel is an"AT-BASH".

I even cut out the center circle and tried rotating to match the correct word to the correct zodiac symbol and then using the letters that appeared at Aries, Aelph, and Capricorn. I used Aries, Aelph, and Capricorn because Aries is the beginning of the zodiac, Aelph is the beginning of the alphabet, and Capricorn is located at it's own word (Ayin) on the inner circle. I took the results and tried rot with no logical results.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:50 pm
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I didn't see this point made under this topic yet, but as this is my first post (longtime lurker), I'm prepared to be beat about the head and shoulders with a large trout. Here goes:

The sequence in Grumpyboy's (brilliant) partial solve of the first ring of Mayan numbers, in my opinion, contains an error. Trout me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the tenth number in GB's sequence be "7" and not "26". On the orb itself, we have one bar and two dots which is "7" using the PMs' faux Myan numbering system (Note: "26" would be written as five bars and a dot, four bars and six dots, etc. In my opinion, the difference between writing "7" and "26" in "Myan" numbers is too significant to be a mistake by the PMs.

Using the number 7 as the tenth number in the sequence (after converting the numbers to letters and ROTing it - again, kudos to GB) the string would read: irustopphfsivsstoplogonstop.

If we translate this to "nru stop physics stop logon stop" as GB has done, we need to replace the first ("i"), tenth ("f"), and thirteenth ("v") letters in this string with "N", "Y", and "C" respectively. Do the letters N,Y, and C have a special significance to the game, other than as an acronym for New York City?

When I typed in "[/url]nru.us/physics/logon/nyc [url]", I got the following message:

Multiple Choices
The document name you requested (/physics/logon/nyc) could not be found on this server. However, we found documents with names similar to the one you requested.

Available documents:

[/url] /physics/logon.gif/nyc [url] (common basename)
[/url] /physics/logon.html/nyc [url] (common basename)

Unfortunately, both urls return a 404 error. Am I on to something, or is this a wild goose chase? [Joe braces himself for flurry of trouts]

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Sorry, the above "Guest" post is mine (expert lurker, but new to posting).
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MageSteff
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alogicnamedjoe wrote:
using the PMs' faux Myan numbering system (Note: "26" would be written as five bars and a dot, four bars and six dots, etc. In my opinion, the difference between writing "7" and "26" in "Myan" numbers is too significant to be a mistake by the PMs.

Using the number 7 as the tenth number in the sequence (after converting the numbers to letters and ROTing it - again, kudos to GB) the string would read: irustopphfsivsstoplogonstop.
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When I typed in "[/url]nru.us/physics/logon/nyc [url]", I got the following message:

Multiple Choices
The document name you requested (/physics/logon/nyc) could not be found on this server. However, we found documents with names similar to the one you requested.

Available documents:

[/url] /physics/logon.gif/nyc [url] (common basename)
[/url] /physics/logon.html/nyc [url] (common basename)

Unfortunately, both urls return a 404 error.


OK but http://nru.us/physics/logon/nyc.html

has this on the page:
Quote:

-


Including the source code. No title, no html formats, no 404.

You may have foung the first step... Unless the PM's added it for their own amusement... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:10 pm
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Flynn
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Magesteff said:

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OK but http://nru.us/physics/logon/nyc.html

has this on the page:
Quote:

-


Including the source code. No title, no html formats, no 404.


With that URL I get the 300 page, as above the above (lol - UK residents who saw David Blaine will know what I mean), with that URL. Maybe cookies?

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Flynn wrote:

With that URL I get the 300 page, as above the above, with that URL. Maybe cookies?


Might be, I still have the same set on the home computer since September. Should I upload copies to the yahoo acheronthinktank?
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AnthraX101
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This is an error page. It is part of 1&1's error/spelling correction. You can find another page here: http://www.nru.us/images/nru/nyc or even on my site, http://s88749232.onlinehome.us/uf/reggie/test. It is trying to make a "best guess" about the proper URL that you want to go to. It will do something similar if you try and go to http://www.nru.us/images/obr.jpg (and send you to the "orb", not "obr" page). The server is returning a 300, so I doubt that this is just a placeholder, it's really telling you there is an error (just like a 404). I'm not quite sure what you're seeing Magesteff.

I don't think that this is a clue, but don't let it discourage you, alogicnamedjoe. We could always use a few more heads thinking about these things! Smile

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I'm not discouraged AnthraX, not at all (well...Confused). But, I still think "N Y C" has some relevance to this puzzle or some other aspect of the game. However, until its relevance becomes clear, put it on the back burner for me O.K. Smile
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Anonymous wrote:
Trout me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the tenth number in GB's sequence be "7" and not "26". On the orb itself, we have one bar and two dots which is "7" using the PMs' faux Myan numbering system


you're right, the way the PMs are doing the mayan math (not really the proper way), the 10th number should be a 7. for some reason, i did the 10th number the proper mayan way (kinda base 20 - i.e. the first dot=20 then the dot and dash = 1+5 = 6, so 20+6=26). I guess I tried to hard to *fit* the answer in and didnt see that the spelling mistakes could be something.

good catch... Smile

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Flynn wrote:
I've found a dictionary of Mayan hieroglyphs here if it helps.


Here is another interesting site talking about the Feathered Serpent and Mayan writing in Red and Black:
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Tlapallan -- the traditional home of Quetzalcoatl, the "land of black and red stones," generally translated "the land of writing" because the Mayas used both red and black inks...



And why Hebrew was used:

Quote:
Besides the striking similarity between the language of the Aztecs and Hebrew, many of the figures on the bas-reliefs of Palenque and the idols in terra cotta exhumed in Santa Cruz del Quiche have head-gear similar to the phylacteries worn by the Pharisees of old and even by the Jews of Poland and Russia today...


And the "fish" surrounding the center "mosque""

Quote:
Citinatonali, creator of heaven and earth and mankind -- the "dragon" from which the earth was made when it rose out of the sea.

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AnthraX101 wrote:
I don't think that this is a clue, but don't let it discourage you, alogicnamedjoe. We could always use a few more heads thinking about these things! Smile


I don't think it's a clue either or at least not to be used directly as an url. I believe it's part of the error correction mechanism. I convinced myself by trying http://www.nru.us/physics/logon/ with nonsence behind it, for example:

http://www.nru.us/physics/logon/dsafdfad
http://www.nru.us/physics/logon/grumpyboy
http://www.nru.us/physics/logon/orbisirritating
etc.

Very Happy

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Hiding in plain sight

At chat tonight (1/21/04) Jake mentioned that John Baxter was a magician as yet another of his moonlighting jobs. Maybe a hint that we are looking too closely at the hebrew letters and not enough at the bigger picture.
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relevant lines were:
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[10:50] <Jake> Did I ever tell you that John used to be an amateur magician?
[10:51] <Jake> He was really good at sleight of hand tricks
[10:51] <Jake> Still is I guess
[10:51] <Jake> He gets your eyes looking at one hand and the real effect is happening elsewhere


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here is a smaller version of the orb which shows the recurring texture of the paper
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