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MariusDarkwolf
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Flood as a bioweapon/bioenhancement

Its possible the "baseline" forerunners weren't immune to the flood, here's my theory on this.

Its possible that the flood were designed to be a better soldier, that the average warrior. What gives me this idea is one of the discriptions in ghosts of onyx.

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On page 107 the AI Deep Winter notes that three of the conversion drugs are different, two of them are a preventive measure but the third "Is a mutagen that alters key regions in a subject's frontal lobe." and continues with "It enhances aggression, making the animal part more accessible in times of stress. Someone so mutated has reserves of strength and endurance that no normal human could call upon. Such a person could also continue to fight under the influence of wide systemic shock that would instantly kill a normal human. The mutagen, however, depresses the higher reasoning centers of the brain over time
emphasis is mine on this. When I first read that, my first thought was "oh bugger their making their own flood."

Maybe the forerunners took that idea a step farther, and made it so the infection could continue by itself, genetically. Then they realized their mistake, and bred up a warrior class/race that was immune to flood infection to fight it off. These super warriors would very likely have been included in the shield warrior to prevent infection or so that there would be a genetic history to draw on when needed, if the flood came back.

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cha1nmast3r86
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why would the forerunners fight the flood with organic warriors, when they already have machines that can fight and wont get infected.

Edit: Insomnia Mistakes

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Re: Flood as a bioweapon/bioenhancement

MariusDarkwolf wrote:
Its possible the "baseline" forerunners weren't immune to the flood, here's my theory on this.

Its possible that the flood were designed to be a better soldier, that the average warrior. What gives me this idea is one of the discriptions in ghosts of onyx.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

On page 107 the AI Deep Winter notes that three of the conversion drugs are different, two of them are a preventive measure but the third "Is a mutagen that alters key regions in a subject's frontal lobe." and continues with "It enhances aggression, making the animal part more accessible in times of stress. Someone so mutated has reserves of strength and endurance that no normal human could call upon. Such a person could also continue to fight under the influence of wide systemic shock that would instantly kill a normal human. The mutagen, however, depresses the higher reasoning centers of the brain over time
emphasis is mine on this. When I first read that, my first thought was "oh bugger their making their own flood."

Maybe the forerunners took that idea a step farther, and made it so the infection could continue by itself, genetically. Then they realized their mistake, and bred up a warrior class/race that was immune to flood infection to fight it off. These super warriors would very likely have been included in the shield warrior to prevent infection or so that there would be a genetic history to draw on when needed, if the flood came back.


Holy crap! I never even thought about that, but that makes sense!

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cha1nmast3r86 wrote:
I am why the forerunners would fight the flood with organic warriors, when they already have machines that can fight and wont get infected.


someone's got quite the ego!

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(I believe you meant "I am curious why..." hehe gotta love when the brain works faster than the fingers, skipping words)
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cha1nmast3r86
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thebruce wrote:
cha1nmast3r86 wrote:
I am why the forerunners would fight the flood with organic warriors, when they already have machines that can fight and wont get infected.


someone's got quite the ego!

Wink


(I believe you meant "I am curious why..." hehe gotta love when the brain works faster than the fingers, skipping words)


Yeah, thanks for catching that for me.

It made sense when I was tired.

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Phoenixka
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Ok, I've been reading through this thread and typing up my reply in a note pad document. Hopefully if you've read the whole thread you can follow what points I'm talking about because I won't be using exact quotes.



Forunner immunity = spartan - Private Jenkins if you read the books he still keeps control of his thoughts and his body to an extent when he is taken over. The flood more takes over your nervous system. You're still fairly aware when taken over.


The blood reaction of the wall- no way to say any other blood wouldn't have done that.

"This would support my theory in that his own brain is still with him and has not been lost to the Flood, but he is still unable to move or anything like that which I will explain later." - This appears to happen no matter what blood you have.


The flood do think on their own, they were fixing a covenant ship in halo:CE. If they didn't know how to use the knowledge from the minds they infiltrate the flood would be pointless. the flood can think for itself.

Keyes becomes a giant blob because the flood fuses him with an elite ship captain so that they can use Keyes tactics with the elites knowledge of how to fly the ship.

And as another said, why make the halos if you're slightly immune to the flood, and if the Forerunner had developed the Flood, I'm sure they would have done a mixed blood test.

Sargent Johnson does have boreans syndrom. The initial story was that he got it by blowing up a box of plasma nades on...Paris something or other. What he was really doing was fighting on Harvest before it was glassed and most likely got exposed to a huge amount of plasma either by narrowly escaping the glassing or general combat. -my sources for this are from the Halo Graphic novel and work done by a member of the B.net boards who i believe is named ogopogo.


The halos are giant labs obviously. They were built to contain and study the flood just as 343 told us. There are 7 of them because that is the number needed to wipe life from the galaxy, they are both weapon and lab because they wanted the flood to be as close as possible to the blast so ensure it's death(or the death of it's food if you want to get picky)

To the person pointing out the non lab nature of the areas on the actual rings. Do you not think have the different labs for studying different aspects of the flood. If you look at the level design of the level 343 guilty spark from halo one, the area generally has 2 levels. The lower level is never connected to the upper level unless the upper level was somehow damaged. Also some rooms on the second level have glass floors. When you release the flood, the spore form cannot jump to the second level(for the most part i know in the game one might randomly get up there by some freak chance) and the spore form is the one contained in the "vault" room where the flood is initially released. From this wee can see the that the lower level is an area where the flood could have just ran around while the forerunner were safe on the second level.

To LorD Baztard - He has metal plated to his bones and computer circuits in his body. Go look up the definition of a cyborg.

Edit: changed what i said in response to the keyes blob. I dont have the story bible so i cannot say that it's a solid fact. I am also trying to find ogopogo's threads from the b.net boards for what i said about seargent johnson. ogopogo points out details from the halo graphic novel to support this claim.

Edit2: I found the threads. The first I will list supports the Seargent Johnson is a spartan I theory and goes no about is boreans, the second is just some highly detailed research and speculation about harvest.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8143418

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=9203930

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MariusDarkwolf
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Phoenixka wrote:


Sargent Johnson does have boreans syndrom. The initial story was that he got it by blowing up a box of plasma nades on...Paris something or other. What he was really doing was fighting on Harvest before it was glassed and most likely got exposed to a huge amount of plasma either by narrowly escaping the glassing or general combat. -my sources for this are from the Halo Graphic novel and work done by a member of the B.net boards who i believe is named ogopogo.



I hate to disagree with you, on this point, because the rest of your theory does make a lot of sense.

However, if you check the halo wiki's, and read the graphic novel. Johnson is more likely a Spartan 1 series.

here's the the wiki link, its near the end of the first paragraph in his bio
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sergeant_Major_Avery_J._Johnson

The graphic novel pretty flatly states that boren's syndrome 'records' for Johnson are a coverup. Its more likely that Johnson got his immunity from either the enhancements he went through in the Spartan 1 program, or from his genetics, as the Spartan 1's would have most certainly quailified for the Spartan 2 program. I mean where else would Halsey and company know what an ideal genetic profile for a Spartan look like, if they didn't have a reference.

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Phoenixka
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MariusDarkwolf your're right. Upon a second reading of the thread I linked in my edit I realize that he does not have boreans syndrom. Though if you haven't read those two threads yet I suggest you do. They are very interesting.



Edit: Well it seems according to the threads I link He does have borreans syndrom, but as I said the original excuse was a cover up. To quote the thread I'm refferencing.


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The time of this query is sent shortly before Dr. Halsey speaks to John about how Johnson survived the Flood. In addition, we know that this query was sent from The Gettysburg, which is were Dr. Halsey was located when this was sent.
Dr. Halsey sends a request for a file to Earth, possibly to UNSC HighCom is Australia. She is requesting the file 48789-20114-AJ.txt(AJ=Avery Johnson). The file is unavivale on the first try, put she tries again and is able to access it.
We learn that when she tried to get the file her request was blocked by an automated program(Hunter). This is why the file was unavailable. Hunter replaced the file she wanted with a different file, which is the one that Dr. Halsey received.
This was the Paris/BS spoof. According to Dr. Halsey(and the fake files she received) Johnson contracted Borens Syndrome on the planet Paris IV. Now we learn that this was a hoax, set up by ONI.
mike44236: </groan> Sooooo... alpha20101 and hotel4696 have both made queries and even though both of them have deep deep access, the files they are looking for are SEALED from the TOP and are STICKY to boot!

So Johnson's files are very secret, so secret that people like Halsey or even Ackerson aren't allowed access to them. The files are sealed from a very high level.
I think that Johnson received his Borens Syndrome on Harvest around the time when the Covenant invaded. The radiation that caused the Borens Syndrome was caused by destruction or damage too a Forerunner artifact(We did "damage holy relics"). When the Reach Crystal was destroyed it emitted a large dose of radiation:
"Overloaded electronics at the site are consistent with a high-energy radiation burst. . . . . as are the burns on the Corporals body."

The object on Harvest probably emitted a similar burst of radiation as it was destroyed/damaged. Johnson managed to survive, but he contracted Borens Syndrome, which would later save him from the flood.
If this is what happened, it would explain why ONI would cover it up.


And I again suggest both threads be read. They have great speculation about harvest.

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