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[Update] 6.19 - AdjutantReflex - "The stain on his hands"
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Anton P. Nym
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saberwing wrote:
I find it a little strange that both of them (AR and whoever is controlling him now) have used quotes from Macbeth. Is it possible that something in that play is connected?

Halo 3: Watch for Marching Forests? Laughing

-- Steve thinks that there could be ample room for a version of Banquo's Ghost, though. (Hmm.... it has been observed that Gravemind speaks in iambic heptameter...)
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
(Hmm.... it has been observed that Gravemind speaks in iambic heptameter...)


Iambic septameter. Sevens and all that.

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 		I thought "hept-" and "sept-"were different prefixes with the same meaning?

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BoonIsha wrote:
I thought "hept-" and "sept-"were different prefixes with the same meaning?


"hept-" is Greek; "sept-" is Latin. Both mean "dealing with 7".

-- Steve was preceding on the understanding that "meter" derives from Greek, as does "iamb". Could be wrong on that, though.
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BoonIsha wrote:
I thought "hept-" and "sept-"were different prefixes with the same meaning?


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 		The stain on his hands will not wash.
That damned spot as old as rock and time.

Whoever this is has done something wrong. I'm guessing it wasn't a small incident either. Maybe it was a long time ago (Ancients? the sentinels?) Or perhaps could he be talking in the future about something that is going to happen soon.

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Siege88 wrote:

If you follow that train of thought, then couldn't the Iris simply be a Forerunner AI, as we originally thought? Supposed AR is just a small program meant to monitor things while the Ark is dormant. He's developed a fondness for humans, having watched them grow on Earth. But now Iris, the real AI of the Ark is awakening and when it sees that the flood have been let loose, it's going to activate the Halos (again) to stop them. Thus, AR is trying to warn us, but it's pretty hopeless for him, since Iris outranks him.


Just catching up on all the reading here, so forgive me if this has been mentioned before...

If the answer to
Quote:
"Who is the path of light from blackest Earth to brilliant heaven?
On whose golden wings will we fly from here to there?"
is "Iris", doesn't it make sense that Iris *is* the Ark?

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klobbermeister wrote:
If the answer to
Quote:
"Who is the path of light from blackest Earth to brilliant heaven?
On whose golden wings will we fly from here to there?"
is "Iris", doesn't it make sense that Iris *is* the Ark?


Could be.

The Ark could perform several functions and it undoubtedly has a number if systems and AI in place to monitor, maintain, and activate those systems. Iris could be a moniker for any one of those.

My speculation would be that Iris is the system that preserves life, in whatever fashion that it does so (if it indeed does so). I believe it's quite literally, the eye of the ark, where we see the beam emanating from in the trailer.

It's also been noted that the two Halo rings we've seen are attended by monitors who bear a different color. The light emitted from the arc seems to be white. Coupled with the known association of the rainbow to both Iris and the Ark, it would make sense that each Halo would be a specific color of the rainbow and that the Ark would be designated white, the combination of visible light.

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klobbermeister wrote:
doesn't it make sense that Iris *is* the Ark?

In Greek mythology, Iris and Arkhe are sisters.
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=336326#336326
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 		Arkhe and Iris (AI) Surprised
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Arkhe and Iris (AI) Surprised


Ever see The Number 23? Wink

the human mind is a crazy thing...
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 		343 Perhaps?
Just a guess on who it is
I may be either really late with this or way off but doesn't AR's description of the attacking presence sound like 343 Guilty Spark? Guilty Spark's alliances aren't very clear as he assists both sides either unaware or unconcerned about the conflict. His motives aren't even clear since the Installation he was stationed at was destroyed. Also the name "Guilty" "Spark" itself connects with AR saying the attacker had blood on their hands...we never really found out what he was guilty of sparking anyway. Like I said, just a guess.

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Anton P. Nym wrote:
The other possibility is that the new controlling entity is the monitor of the Ark, one of those who authorised the firing of the Rings 100,000 years ago. Definitely fits with the Macbeth quote; "out, out damned spot" left by mass xeno-genocide 100,000 years ago. And, also, the motives could be obscure to outside parties.

-- Steve's wondering if the monitors have guilty (or penitent) conciences.


Sorry, I've been lurking and trying to catch up. When I read the message, with all of the language about stain and not feeling the guilt, I thought of whoever is speaking as D-Com in the Array Recorder Data. After all, AR kept referring to an array as well. So, my question is (and sorry if this is answered out there, I haven't been able to find it):

Should we view "D-Com" as the AI/Monitor that authorized the first firing, or as the Reclaimer who would have been necessary to pull the trigger? Seems like the former would make more sense. What role, if at all, did the AI of the Ark (Iris?) play in the original firing? If "D-Com" is the AI/Monitor, why would it be attacking AR in the present day?

Okay, that was more than one question. Sorry.

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 		D-Com
First I think D-Com is just a communication network and this could be a conversation between two Forerunner or just a monologue. I don't see the person(s) on D-Com as being Monitors or AI because they aren't authorized to fire the Halo Array and on D-Com its is said that the firing of the Halos were done by his hands.

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MjolnirMkII wrote:
I still like my spec about AR being a subAI of a larger AI and AR going rampant and warning humanity about the impending actions of the larger AI.


I agree 100%

If I may add to this discussion:

Quote:
Posted By:AdjutantReflex
The stain on his hands will not wash.
That damned spot as old as rock and time.
What has he learned in Eon's slumber?
I doubt it's mercy or sorrow.
I am diminished.
Outranked.


edit: MacBeth and evidence of AR's degrading sanity played out. so i cut that.

Eon may be a reference to Narcisssus' punishment: watching himself. The possessive does not necessarily indicate a literal manifestation of a person. "He" may 0r may not have learned mercy or sorrow (of Array activation) during an eon of inactivity.

Quote:
Posted By:AdjutantReflex
He has had millennia for reflection, but what image does he see?An older life is here with us. He is not as helpful as I. His motives are oblique and his alliances opaque.
He plays with time even as he hides in its folds.
He outranks me and anyway, is stronger.
I can't prevail.
I will seek one of you out and leave my legacy in a small space.

Also another reference to Narcisssus:

He sees his own reflection. And which identity is which is lost to us. The thing speaking through AR, here AR-1, speaks in stilted, curt technical jargon. AR-2 speaks in poetic code. If a rogue AI, or program was asleep imbeded in the AI itself, much alike ILB's SPDR, it would explain the changes in his personality. [spec] AR begins to warn us. Protocol clearly states no communication is allowed with us. He only does it to succeed his mission, but the SPDR does not care. Summarily it, the AI, kills off AR. The ghost process, "ghost.713" becomes bagged and quarantined as "qghost.713".

Just a theory. I don't profess to have it all figured out. There's a lot I am still milling. For example, why break his silence now? What of signifigance will happen this era?

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