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H.I.M.
Greenhorn

Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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NEWBIE

I've been helpin N2Vols out and I decided I'd give it a shot.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:15 pm

The_Effect
Greenhorn

Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Posts: 7

Re: tpetal

n2 wrote:

Ok we can do one of 2 things....we can tell tpetal that allen told us about the project and we want to help or we can tell him that ALLEN is in trouble and we need to help....we are friend not foe...
tell me what ya'll think

The only problem with telling them that we know about the project is that if he is wise to our ploy he may mislead you. Since he may know information that others do not, he might make up false things about the project to test what you know.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:09 pm

n2vols13
Boot

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Florida

True

But remember ALLEN is the only one that is supposed to knpw about this....seeing how he left the messages for ALLEN so we would know as much as ALLEN does about Project Osprey....
don't you think?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:12 pm

H.I.M.
Greenhorn

Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Posts: 4

We can just tell him Allen didn't share his complete knowledge on the subject.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:15 pm

Quiet
Boot

Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 46

Re: tpetal

The_Effect wrote:

n2 wrote:

How do you suggest we talk to this guy and get information without mentioning the project at all?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:16 pm

n2vols13
Boot

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Florida

TIME

We only have 15 min. till tee time.....so we need to get it straight....

P.S. how are we supposed to get info if we don't mention the project?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:18 pm

Quiet
Boot

Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 46

GOT HIM. Skype at 9.35 was right on

Quote:

[02:40:55] t. petal says: IWhat do you mean you are a friend. Where's Allen?

Will keep talking to him

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:41 pm

n2vols13
Boot

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Florida

tpetal

we got our tpetal!!!!

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:41 pm

H.I.M.
Greenhorn

Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Posts: 4

we have found him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:42 pm

Quiet
Boot

Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 46

Okay, this was such a weird conversation. He said about two things and then ignored everything else I said. No more replies. I didn't get any info out of that, utterly fruitless. He is a contact and never went offline, and I gave him my email, so hopefully this was just setting something up for the future....

Otherwise, that's a very odd play on the PM's part. Setting up a meet and then not progressing the game! But maybe my conversation technique just blows

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:24 pm

johnny995
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Conversation

Did this do anything for us or was it a COMPLETE waste of time?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:49 pm

Perfidy1942
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Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 14
Location: Allentown

T.Petal Transcript
I just spoke with T.Petal...

OK everyone. I just spoke with T.Petal. I had not planned on this so I did the best I could. The transcript of our conversation is listed below:

[12:09:32 PM] <My> says: Good Morning... where are we meeting tonight?
[9:35:55 PM] t. petal says: Larry, is that you?
[9:36:46 PM] <My> says: I have thought about telling you that I am Larry but I am not. I am from a group of people who heard a message on youtube. We have since formed a group and would like to help you expose Osprey.
[9:37:08 PM] <My> says: I do not know how to prove my loyalty to you however I can assure you that I am on your side.
[9:37:48 PM] t. petal says: What are you talking about? YouTube?
[9:38:21 PM] t. petal says: I am aware that certain people are looking for me. Unless you can prove that you are not them very quickly I am terminating this contact.
[9:38:32 PM] <My> says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrDEMbRYMWw check out this link
[9:39:11 PM] <My> says: I am working with Jeff. The guy who posted this message.
[9:39:13 PM] t. petal says: I'm getting another chat request from Alan Portman. What the hell's going on?
[9:39:32 PM] <My> says: Alan may not be who he says he is. Be careful
[9:40:25 PM] <My> says: I can supply you with any information that you would need to check out my identity. I work for a college in South Flordia.
[9:40:32 PM] <My> says: Florida... sorry
[9:40:34 PM] t. petal says: Who's Jeff? How did my voice mail get on YouTube?
[9:41:16 PM] <My> says: You left a message on his machine looking for Allen... I think that you did it by mistake however Jeff then posted the message and we began trying to help you with this OSPREY thing.
[9:42:13 PM] <My> says: What can I do to help you?
[9:42:42 PM] t. petal says: Who is Jeff? How did he get my message?
[9:43:44 PM] t. petal says: Who is Tim Queenath?
[9:44:04 PM] <My> says: Allen used to live in his apartment. He moved out and Jeff moved in. We don't have a clue where Allen could be. You are the first person that we have actually spoken to that has any credible information about OSPREY.
[9:44:26 PM] <My> says: I do not know a Tim Queenath. I can tell you this... stay far away from John Green
[9:45:24 PM] t. petal says: I saw the name John Green on a transcript of a conversation recently, who is he?
[9:45:36 PM] t. petal says: Could he be using the name Tim Queenath?
[9:45:54 PM] <My> says: He had something to do with TradeCraftJournal and works for the government.
[9:46:46 PM] <My> says: He could be using that name. I have no way of knowing. John Green is the enemy. If he finds out about us we will have a big problem.
[9:47:07 PM] t. petal says: Who is "us"?
[9:48:06 PM] t. petal says: What do you mean "...if he finds out about US..."
[9:48:14 PM] <My> says: We don't really have a name. We are concerned members of the web community that want to know why OSPREY has you so concerned.
[9:48:39 PM] <My> says: We can help you expose it or possibly stop this whole thing
[9:49:25 PM] <My> says: If you point me in a direction I can get our group to take some sort of action that will prove that we are on your side and not with OIS>
[9:49:36 PM] <My> says: Just tell me what you need.
[9:50:03 PM] t. petal says: Are you using your real name?
[9:50:26 PM] <My> says: Yes I am.
[9:50:45 PM] t. petal says: Hold on.
[9:53:16 PM] t. petal says: Green mentioned a group of people involved in a game. Are you them?
[9:54:04 PM] <My> says: This is not a game. If you are talking to Green stop. He is bad news.
[9:55:26 PM] t. petal says: I'm not talking to Green. I am well aware that he is bad new, probably mor so than you. He said that to her in the transcript.
[9:55:36 PM] t. petal says: How many people are in your group?
[9:56:10 PM] <My> says: IT is hard to say. There are probably 10-20 fully dedicated members.
[9:56:51 PM] t. petal says: Do you all know each other? How can you be sure of trust?
[9:57:44 PM] <My> says: We do not know each other. You really can't trust anyone however we communicate through a secure site that John Green would never be able to see or join.
[9:58:57 PM] t. petal says: Why do you think you can help? What else have you been able to learn about Osprey?
[10:01:31 PM] <My> says: I have only learned about OSPREY through the files you posted on www.tradecraftjournal.com. We were able to decode the messages you left to find you here. I think if we were given more information on OSPREY we could use the same skills to take this project down. What would you suggest that I do?
[10:03:18 PM] <My> says: My email address is <My>. Use this to contact me if you ever need anything. I will get the message out to my team and help in any way we can. If you give us more information about Allen we may be able to locate him for you.
[10:03:32 PM] t. petal says: I was trying to contact Allen to ask him the same question.
[10:04:01 PM] <My> says: Maybe we can help you find Allen. What do you know about him?
[10:04:03 PM] t. petal says: He has done extensive research on this type of thing. Do you know anything about his current whereablouts?
[10:04:39 PM] <My> says: Nothing at all. I think we can find him. Where did he used to work?
[10:05:31 PM] <My> says: How old is he? What does he look like? Where could he have gone?
[10:05:56 PM] t. petal says: I've been trying to remember. What about this Jeff person you mentioned. Does he know anything about where Allen is?
[10:06:34 PM] <My> says: No, his landlady remembers Allen but that is about it. Allen moved out and no one has heard from him since.
[10:07:13 PM] t. petal says: How did you find that out?
[10:08:04 PM] <My> says: We have been sending messages to Jeff through YouTube. When this started we asked him to find out about Allen from his landlady.
[10:08:30 PM] <My> says: Jeff does not seem to know much however he does work for DoI
[10:08:58 PM] t. petal says: The Dept. of the Interior? How do you know that?
[10:09:24 PM] <My> says: Well I do not know for certian but Jeff told us that he works for the DoI.
[10:10:29 PM] t. petal says: Did he mention that in public? Did Green know about this Jeff person? Did he have his name?
[10:11:09 PM] <My> says: Yeah. Jeff also believes that someone has been in his home when he was not there.
[10:11:37 PM] <My> says: Jeff is being watched.
[10:12:04 PM] <My> says: How can I help you find Allen? His last name is Portman right?
[10:12:21 PM] <My> says: Why do you want to find Allen?
[10:14:03 PM] t. petal says: I need to discuss what he knows. He told me something last year that I think is related. He is extremely well versed in aspects of what I think I have found.
[10:14:19 PM] t. petal says: Yes. His name is Allen Portman.
[10:14:44 PM] <My> says: What did he tell you last year?
[10:14:45 PM] t. petal says: Can any of your people check on this Jeff?
[10:15:13 PM] <My> says: No one lives in the area. As far as I know he is fine but I will be able to send him a message when we are done.
[10:15:31 PM] t. petal says: Is it possible that Green has Allen's full name?
[10:16:18 PM] <My> says: Anything is possible, I think Jeff is the one who gave it to us. If Green got to Jeff than we will need to find Allen quickly.
[10:16:49 PM] <My> says: What can you tell me about Allen that will help me locate him?
[10:18:10 PM] t. petal says: I agree. I am very concerned that Green already has Allen's name. The only thing that I have other than his telephone number (which we know if no good) is a reference to a paper he wrote for.
[10:18:33 PM] <My> says: What is the name of the paper?
[10:18:57 PM] <My> says: What was he writing about? When did he work there?
[10:19:01 PM] t. petal says: But I can't remember what it was called. Only that it was very small. He mentioned that they had no money. He wrote for them for the byline, they couldn't even pay for the several pieces he sent them.
[10:19:39 PM] <My> says: Where was this paper located?
[10:20:00 PM] <My> says: Did he go by Allen Portman when he was writing or did he use a pen name?
[10:20:31 PM] t. petal says: Someone else is calling. Can it be one of your people?
[10:20:50 PM] <My> says: I doubt it. Be careful what you say to that person.
[10:21:05 PM] <My> says: Our people would have all been here at 9:35 like you asked.
[10:21:10 PM] t. petal says: He always went by Allen Portman when we spoke. Hold on.
[10:21:32 PM] t. petal says: he is showing up as n2vols13
[10:21:59 PM] <My> says: He is with me if he is the same guy that I work with.
[10:22:31 PM] <My> says: The n2vols13 I know is located in Florida.
[10:22:48 PM] t. petal says: I don't have time to talk to a bunch of people. I think I remembered something about the paper.
[10:23:11 PM] <My> says: Let me know. I will get the message out to my people.
[10:23:52 PM] t. petal says: Allen mentioned that he always got a kick out of this paper because it reminded him of a band he really liked in the early 80's.
[10:24:26 PM] <My> says: 80's bands... great. I can work with that. Do you know what kind of music he listened to?
[10:24:32 PM] t. petal says: He said the paper had the same name as one of their songs.
[10:25:04 PM] t. petal says: Umm, not really.
[10:25:17 PM] t. petal says: I know he was excited about meeting Moby once.
[10:25:41 PM] <My> says: Who wouldn't be Smile

I can work with that.
[10:26:07 PM] <My> says: If I find anything out how should I contact you?
[10:27:05 PM] t. petal says: There was something weird about the name of the band. I remember thinking it sounded like a prison.
[10:27:58 PM] <My> says: Which prison did it remind you of?
[10:28:00 PM] t. petal says: we need to be able to communicate securely. I know a little tradecraft, but I'm not a field guy.
[10:29:18 PM] t. petal says: I can't remember. But I know it wouldn't Rykers or The Rock or any of those. It was something different.
[10:29:43 PM] <My> says: I will post on your blog when we have information for you. Then all you have to do is schedule another flight.
[10:30:10 PM] <My> says: I am not going to post the information we have on your blog in case Green finds it.
[10:30:11 PM] t. petal says: I noticed there were some comments on the BLog. Are those from your people?
[10:30:35 PM] t. petal says: NO! You cannot post anything in the open.
[10:30:46 PM] <My> says: I think so but there is no way to know for sure. I will post as Perfidy1947. That is how you will know it is me.
[10:30:56 PM] t. petal says: How likely is it that Green could have the KMQ site?
[10:31:33 PM] <My> says: Not very but if the guy works for the Government who knows what he is capable of pulling off.
[10:32:00 PM] t. petal says: Is there anyone else that you know for sure I can trust.
[10:33:23 PM] t. petal says: Also, is there a secure way I can reach you if I need to move the files again in a hurry?
[10:33:29 PM] <My> says: No... I have no personal contact with anyone else. n2vols13 seems like a good person but I could not tell you anything personal about him or her.
[10:34:38 PM] <My> says: Yeah. Send an email to <My>. It is my work email account. I have not used this for anything else so no one would have access to this account or even know it exsists.
[10:34:58 PM] <My> says: If you need a phone number I could give you that as well.
[10:36:39 PM] t. petal says: No, I don't want more data than I need. Just in case.
[10:37:11 PM] <My> says: So what happens next?
[10:37:34 PM] t. petal says: If you have to communicate do it in terms of something unrelated. Just word it so that I can figure out what you are talking about. I'm sure you know what I mean.
[10:37:40 PM] <My> says: We are going to look for Allen and see if we can figure this Osprey thing out
[10:37:50 PM] t. petal says: I will same.
[10:38:10 PM] <My> says: tradecraft stuff right?
[10:38:16 PM] t. petal says: I will keep looking for Allen. If I find anything or remember anything else that might help, I'll try to contact you.
[10:38:37 PM] t. petal says: In light of my situation, though, I am only able to post at specific times.
[10:38:43 PM] <My> says: I take it that your flight is landing?
[10:39:02 PM] <My> says: Where are the files now?
[10:40:00 PM] t. petal says: It's probably been in a holding pattern a little too long as it is. Please tell your people to be very careful. This is not a game. These people are professioanls and I think they have a reason to be very aggressive.
[10:40:24 PM] <My> says: Thanks for the tip. Same to you
[10:40:34 PM] <My> says: anything else I might need to know before you go?
[10:40:45 PM] t. petal says: If it's possible to check on that guy, please do so, I don't like the fact that he thought someone was onhim.
[10:41:35 PM] t. petal says: I've got to go. I'm not sure why you want to involve yourself with this, but thanks.
[10:41:54 PM] <My> says: no problem. good luck

SO... we need to find Allen. He worked for a small newspaper. We do not know the name but we do know that it reminds T.Petal of a prison and it was based on a song by an 80's band. At this point I am open to suggestions.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:52 pm

Quiet
Boot

Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 46

you jammy bastard! Razz

I gave him the same info you did. I waited from like an hour before on skype to get him as soon as he came on. I am unbelievably jealous that he chose to talk to you!

I am the Queenath he was asking about by the way.
This is great that we've got some more info though. I'll get to thinking.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:57 pm

Perfidy1942
Boot

Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 14
Location: Allentown

Allen Portman

Anyone want to check this out???

http://starrfirerecording.com/index.html

This site was created today. I doubt this is the Allen Portman we are looking for but it is worth a shot. Anyone live in Houston???

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:23 pm

n2vols13
Boot

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Florida

Way to go

Way to go!!! i did try to contact him as well i hope i didn't ruin anything
i'll get to looking for a new clue Very Happy

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:23 pm

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