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Canzonett
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At least the footnoterisation already seems to start working. Did you notice that Amy's latest post (Tuesday, 3 July 2007, 1:53) used little footnote-signs ("1") instead of apostrophs?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:24 pm
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Etta
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I've found FOOTNOTES!!

I just went to the bookcam page on Jasper's website to try entering possible key words to do with Niebla. (I didn't see where you enter them, by the way). (Oops, saw how to do it now...)

But I did find FOOTNOTES!! I saw on the upper left-hand corner of the page where it said "Book Upgrade Alert" and clicked on that. Apparently there was a mix-up in the printing of the first edition of First Among Sequels (already in stores so they must be the ones that are at the Dupine Classics stores) and somehow the footnoterphone footnotes didn't get put in. All of the footnotes can be found here http://www.jasperfforde.com/special.html.

PLUS that also explains why Jasper (the real one) wasn't able to find the keyword in the proof of First Among Sequels - the footnotes are missing from it.

SO, that leads me to believe that perhaps the keyword is in those missing (but now found) footnotes. As you will see, they don't make much sense but seem like they might include some of the kidnapped characters, for example in one of the footnotes someone says that they are under house arrest. But they might make more sense (i.e. at least we'd know who is saying what) if someone had a copy of the book...

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Etta - gorgeous discovery! I must check that immediately.

I entered those words, according to Jasper's instructions, right here:

www.jasperfforde.com/TESTWORD.html

Replace "TESTWORD" by any given term.

OK. About those updated footnotes ...
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"Bradders" and the "old girl" bits clearly point to Commander Bradshaw being involved in the dialogues. And the Italian bits ("Il Gatto del Cheshire") might refer to Pinocchio, even if there's someone just "practising" his/her Italian. And someone seems to be swimming in the text sea ...


No success with
island
robinsonsisland
robinsonisland
treasureisland
nautilus

either ...

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Etta
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Jasper also underlined "place" in his email (that he locked this character in a place).

I've now tried:

Brindisi
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Robinson Crusoe
ocean
here+eeee

They seemed to all be places, but no luck.

Weren't the minor characters supposed to know the key? Are any of the footnotes from monor characters does anyone know?

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Wow, things moved fast this afternoon! Smile

A thought on the location we're hunting for.
Quote:
7: 'Thursday! Great Scott girl! Where are you?'
8: 'Wouldn't it be better to go via 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and hang a left at Robinson Crusoe?'

If the location we want is where Thursday is in this case, she's in a book. Now, the way you navigate into books in the bookworld is through other books. Where would you go to through two nautical books to get to? Off our list of Dupines, 3 Men in a Boat, maybe? Anyone know where that is set?

Quote:
Julie also said that she had thought that the Junior Designate Programme was a bit suspect for a long while now, and that now she knows its a bad thing. She said it would be a crime if another Junior failed their assessment, but there is nothing she can do to help me. I don't really understand what she meant by any of that but it has made my very uneasy.

This just strengthens my feeling that June is a book character. I wonder which one, though? She doesn't have the temperament for a Havisham, I wouldn't have thought, unless it's a very young Havisham. Jasper's comments about her trusting nature would suggest to me a character which is a lot more naive than Havisham is. Got no ideas about who that might be at the moment though...

EDIT: I tried a list of the places mentioned in Great Expectations since Ffforde seemed to have some affinity with that book, but to no avail. So it's not SatisHouse, Rochester, Kent, London, Newgate or Newgateprison.
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If I remember correctly the clue (or maybe a google reference after searching for the clue) of 3 men in a boat said something about the river Thames... Therefore location being London

Just checked, but no cigar...

Checked and failed:

{see below}

--edit--

Just checked Wikipedia for three men in a boat:

Quote:
Three Men in a Boat (To Say Nothing of the Dog), published in 1889, is a humorous account by Jerome K. Jerome of a boating holiday on the Thames between Kingston and Oxford.


Tried Kingston and Oxford to no avail - making my final list:

london
thames
riverthames
3meninaboat
threemeninaboat
tosaynothingofthedog
kingston
oxford
montmorency (the name of the dog)

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Thought on June's identity:

From all the mention of Peter and Wendy, and ffake Ffforde's comments about June being a 'C list' character, I wondered if maybe she was a background character from Peter Pan. Sure enough...

Quote:
[at the end of the story] Peter returns to Wendy's house, not realizing that more than twenty years have passed since he took Wendy, John and Michael to Neverland, and that Wendy is now a married woman with a daughter, Jane. Confronted with the news, he breaks down and cries. Wendy leaves the room to try to think, and Peter's sobs awaken Jane, who asks him to take her with him to Neverland and to let her be his new mother. Peter joyfully accepts, and the two fly off together with Wendy sorrowfully looking off after them. Peter will now return for Jane once a year as he once promised to return for Wendy.

(from Wiki)

Could June be Jane? There's only one letter different, after all...
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Good thinking about Three Men in a Boat. I checked on Wikipedia and it said there that the story is about their journey along the Thames between Kingston and Oxford. No luck with either kingston or oxford though. Might footnote 6 ("all I ddddddd can see is endless BLEEDING ocean") be a clue? Is anyone good with geography or history in that particular area?

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Would Wendy's daughter be that naive and helpless, I wonder?

And even though the BookCam example place was "Wonderland" - shouldn't we rather look for some location mentioned in Jasper's own books than in the classics? After all, how is he supposed to have placed Ffforde in one of the latter? Typing his own copy of "Three men in a boat" or "Alice"?

And again: I believe that "BLEEDING ocean" to be the text sea, judging from the letter chaos surrounding those words!

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I agree about the Text Sea. Smile

Also, I beg to differ on the location. Mainly because Jasper's books do contain all of those places, because he writes about the Great Library where all books are contained:
Quote:
...every book ever written, those that are still to be written, and a few more besides...

So I think that it could be anywhere, really.

Having said that, I tried Swindon and it didn't work. Smile
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Oh, and another thing to say June is a book character; Jasper calls her june not June. She's not earned her capitalisation yet...

As for Wendy's daughter not being naive; she's naive enough to want to fly to Neverland with Peter!
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"SwordoftheZenobians" didn't work, either ... Sad

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BLEEDING ocean referring to the text sea certainly seems plausible. I can vouch for the fact that there's no ocean between Kingston and Oxford, though there has been some minor localised flooding recently Wink
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We shouldn't forget Ffforde's strange habits of speech - they might be a clue to the place of his imprisonment. Some non-English book perhaps? Or some place with next to no proper text at all? (Washing instruction label?)

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I've always felt that Haversham was a book character of some sort - her language and puzzlement about apparently simple things seemed odd. I can't remember much about how the generics work - is it possible for them to be a combination of two characters? In this case, perhaps Miss Havisham and this Jane from Peter Pan.

Out of curiosity, does the real original Miss Havisham actually have a first name? The blurbs I've read don't mention one.
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