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So that maybe it's death was not in vain...
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Flynn
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imbri wrote:
Stockholm: 10 PM sunday
London: 9 PM sunday
NY: 4 PM sunday
LA: 1 PM sunday
Sydney: 8 AM monday


Works for me, so long as nothing comes up on Sunday. And as long I finally give in to IRC chat Wink. If I'm not there, then as already said the chatlog will be cool.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:23 pm
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jamesi
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If time and family allows, I'll be there.
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imbri wrote:
Even worse, when you pour yourself into something (a plot idea, a website, a puzzle idea) and not one person acknowledges the effort you're making. It sends the message of "Why do I bother? I must really really suck! These people say they're excited and they say they want to work on a project, apparently not on anything I have to offer." Sure, that's being a bit sensitive, and you do need some pretty tough skin for when the players start ripping you apart, but after a few times of that happening it does begin to set a discouraging tone. How hard is it to take a look at what they've done, even if it's just skimming it, and making a simple post to acknowledge it? A few minutes out of your day?-b

I had a feeling that it's what was going on with that LJ game that looks like it's died. The guy on the train, and the death of his girl, etc. was interesting - but I guess not interesting enough to get juices flowing. And, the "outing" of the supposed PM (which I think was a scam) kinda broke it apart more.

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krystyn
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All that stuff about posting constantly? So true.

Also, it's a tricky balance divesting yourself of your ego well enough to receive criticism, and yet still put your heart into what you're doing. Give yourself credit if you can stay in the building stage for more than three weeks without screaming and ripping out all your hair. You're learning.

Learning how to communicate is essential, too. This Is The Internet. Text-based, for the most part, and so things can often be misread and misunderstood. Broaden your vocabulary, and become abstract at the same time - practicing encapsulating your ideas makes it so much easier to 'sell' an idea/plot/puzzle to your fellow PMs.

Not so good:
"So there's this guy, and so we need him to have a conflict, so let's have him just go to this place where everyone is all evil, and oh yeah, he used to crawl in subway tunnels, and there's this girl who might be his girlfriend, and so they play cards or something, because there's this thing with the conspiracy and so they have to be secret and stuff so he can tell her why they're evil."

Better:
"The crawler dude unknowingly takes a job working for the Bad Guys. He finds out why they're bad, and how far they're willing to go to make sure no one tells their secrets. SO he plays euchre with his best friend online, relaying information to her through card puzzle clues. He can't escape this town, and he can't just call her, or type it out plainly. They just might kill him if he does."

If it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. But you gotta sell it and make it sound good, because if it don't sound good, why the heck will the players want to touch it?

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Magesteff wrote:
imbri wrote:
How does this look for all of you?
Stockholm: 10 PM sunday
London: 9 PM sunday
NY: 4 PM sunday
LA: 1 PM sunday
Sydney: 8 AM monday

-b


That works better for me, but like Wolf and Pale Figure, just having the chat logs available to read through for those of us who miss portions, or can't make the chat would help our understanding greatly.

Perhaps they can be posted to the PM Guide?


I'll probably be a log reader then. Oh, don't get me wrong, it's got nothing to do with sleeping in. I'll have already been awake for 2 hours by then. Unfortunately, I'll have already left for work an hour ago, as well.
But I'm satisfied knowing that this chat is taking place at all.
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Simulacra
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imbri wrote:
Stockholm: 10 PM sunday
London: 9 PM sunday
NY: 4 PM sunday
LA: 1 PM sunday
Sydney: 8 AM monday


Sounds fair.
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Diandra
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Where?

Where is the chat? #unfiction?

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Ugh, I won't be able to make it. I just discovered I have a lunch meeting I didn't know about.

Sad

I'll try to get in as quick as I can, maybe folks will still be there. Where is it, btw?
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jamesi
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for no rhyme nor reason, #tba @ irc.chatsolutions.org
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Sunny du Pree
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And if you cant get in that way...
go to www.aintitcool.com and then log on to livechat then click on the security warning to accept then type in your name and then type in #tba
good luck will see ya there
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MEta

This was posted by LazarusLong in the puppetmaster thread

I add it here for ease of reference

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/download.php?id=1763

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Various thoughts and ramblings inspired by Sunday's PM chat:

Stagnation in a dev group isn't always fatal. As far as LJ goes, we went through a long period in the late summer/early fall with NO dev activity AT ALL. What kickstarted us (Clay, Brooke, Andy, Derek, Krystyn and I) was hearing that a major magazine wanted to include a clue to our rabbit hole (which never materialized). I think the six of us who finished LJ were the six for whom not finishing it was never an option. More than technical skill, hard-headedness is a plus.

We lost one PM in Mu due to real life interfering (Derek, aka I_monk) and added Steve, Ozy and Space, who were all huge assets with a large variety of skills. Brooke sells herself short too…she and Clay wrote some pretty compelling material. Clay's letter from Nadine to Vern in LJ still makes me all misty-eyed (the "my poor drowned garden" letter from a dying Nadine, quoted below). And I have a printout of Krystyn's "Tearing it all down" Iudicium puzzle reward taped to my office wall.

But yeah, we all came to the party with very specific—but limited--skills. For my part, I write dry medical literature 40 hours a week, so doing something like writing the Reverend or Serpent (LJ) was a lot of fun for me. It let me break out of my little space and do something creative for a change. Plus, it got me to learn more web coding than I had known before.

I think we've succeeded like we have just because nobody told us we couldn't. Naivete is your friend.

I (speaking just for myself) have to assume the W Brothers have at least seen Mu, even though we haven't gotten any comments directly from them on it, because Warner Brothers told the UK Guardian that they were perfectly OK with us setting our story in their world.

And Brooke speaks the truth…for an ARG, quickplace isn't good.

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It was raining when Lucy left, too. She left a note, you know, that little letter there next to the stairs. Oh, I know you didn't want to read it, wouldn't even talk about her leaving...you never could accept that life doesn't always follow your schedule. Life is life. Maybe you should have spent more time with us in the garden, you would have seen that things happen when they happen. A time to sow, a time to reap, a time to wake, a time to sleep.

I've been so tired lately and you've been so patient, so helpful, running out to the store for more bandaids, rubbing my back when the coughing got so bad I didn't know what to do. I wish I could hold back the future and live with you here forever. But the plants in my window box are turning yellow from too much rain. Do you see them out there? So much hope and so little luck ... poor plants.

I wanted so much to be here with you, to start over and do things right. Remember the first time we saw this house? The way the sun just seemed to shine a little brighter off the windows? And then your hat flying down the street? Remember how hard we laughed as we ran after it? I haven't laughed that hard in a while though, and the sun is setting across the lake as I write this. Maybe I should start running, but would it help? I don't think I'll ever catch up to you now, and you haven't noticed. And Lucy, well, how could she understand? She's still a child, and your insistence on 'your way in your house' ... couldn't you have simply held your peace? You had to have everything according to your schedule, everything just so! So she challenged you to think a little, is that a crime? You couldn't just let it go, and now she's gone, and the house is empty, and my garden has drowned in the rain, and I no longer know what is happening or where to turn.

Alice, you know, that sweet woman down the way who lent me that cookbook? Well, she told me that she's been having trouble sleeping, that she's started to cough, too. And the last time I went to the clinic to pick up more skin cream they wouldn't let me in until I'd filled out all sorts of forms and shown them my resident's pass a half dozen times! And then when I did get in, the waiting room was so full I couldn't find a seat. Vern, something isn't right here, and if you'd ever look up from your books and your papers you'd see that. Maybe if you'd spent a little more time outside with me you'd feel it too ... something is coming and I'm afraid. Afraid that I know what it is, afraid that I don't. You've been so much help and yet you're still so far away, too lost in the words of Moreland to look at the reality of dirt and rain and rot that have swallowed my memories.

Maybe I'll leave this on the stairs for you and walk down to the lake. But no, the rain. Perhaps I'll just sit in the sun room and watch the sky fall down over my poor, drowned garden. And there is no doubt, I could sleep for hours. Anyway. I'll never leave you now. It's enough for now. Why you and not me? Why me and not you?

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Wolf wrote:
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Maybe I'll leave this on the stairs for you and walk down to the lake. But no, the rain. Perhaps I'll just sit in the sun room and watch the sky fall down over my poor, drowned garden. And there is no doubt, I could sleep for hours. Anyway. I'll never leave you now. It's enough for now. Why you and not me? Why me and not you?


Much love for Clay and the voice she gave to Nadine, even if I did go ahead and slip some Over the Rhine lyrics in there on occasion. Cool

Easter eggily yours,

Krystyn

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