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IRC CARETAKER (Thurs. Feb. 12, 2004)
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enaxor
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 		IRC CARETAKER (Thurs. Feb. 12, 2004)
CT showed up this morning. The file is below. One main point, there are more documents for us to find and about Beckers access key "<Caretaker> it is a 1024 bit key".





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 		Here's a copy in text format. I missed the chat, but I was in the channel.

1024-bit encryption? So uh, who here knows the Number Field Sieve? Wink

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 		Re: IRC CARETAKER (Thurs. Feb. 12, 2004)
enaxor wrote:
CT showed up this morning. The file is below. One main point, there are more documents for us to find and about Beckers access key "<Caretaker> it is a 1024 bit key".



Woo! I made Becker antsy!

Things I noticed:
1. The person inside is NOT John Baxter, but someone giving Baxter the information.
2. The next set of information is a time dependent puzzle.
3. If we fail, look for caretaker in the next univers, and remember Turgenev. That seems to be the factor that will get him involved.
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 		stuff from chat
this is the stuff i noted from the chat:
Most important: jake has arranged to work tomorrow night to make up for the time he took off.

1. There is no First Catalina website in this timeline
2. Seraphim is an org CT is trying to find out more about
3. We will find the docs through Reggie/Baxter clues (only) If Baxter is not able to get us information, they will try to contact us directly.
4. we need to get the docs as evidence because Becker's group are starting to cover up. The docs relate to historic evidence of the time travel made by Becker's group.
5. If Becker puts NRU into total lockdown we are screwed.
6. Jake's hop is logged on as soon as he enters the first key,he has 5 minutes to complete the hop. (if jake fails there is no current backup plan - and we surmise that jake will be caught by becker)
7. we need to be prepared for all hell to break loose once Jake starts the hop.
8. We have to trust Jake
9. John is OK, but not in a safe place.
10. CT will check on Meg and Willie.
11. CT is wondering about apocalyptic prophesies and the nature of reality, and how if Jake could so alter "reality" by hopping, what is reality anyway. This scares him. (and I might add, I was very proud of myself for resisting the temptation to bring up the Matrix or any of the philosophies relating to the desert of the real contained therein.)
12. Enaxor and I agree that grumpyboy rocks! 1024 bit key for you bud.
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 		Apocryphal destiny or apocalyptic prophesy
Greetings Rose and all,

A brief introduction first: I'm becoming an inveterate Acheron lurker ... I was involved in Project Mu pretty actively, but am having a hard time getting into Acheron at this late juncture. I've been reading the Acheron forum though, and it's fascinating stuff.

I've read the caretaker chat log and recently posted summary. One nit-picking point I'd like to share with you, that might be useful:

Rose wrote:
11. CT is wondering about apocalyptic prophesies and the nature of reality


Caretaker twice wrote not apocalyptic prophesy, but apocryphal destiny (although he did write prophesy a bunch of times as well :-). Seeing him use those particular words raised an eyebrow for me, you don't see the word apocryphal used very often.
If you look up apocryphal, you'll find it is usually used to mean something that is of questionable authenticity or authorship, because it is not backed by solid or confirmable written evidence or provenance of origin. In a more specific sense apocryphal refers to the Apocrypha, a set of biblical writings, accepted by some as legitimate holy writings while rejected by others.

I think caretaker's use of apocryphal destiny here refers quite specifically to timelines, and events in a current timeline being influenced by those in a previous one. Once 'things change', any knowledge or information derived from a previous state could be appropriately described as apocryphal in the extreme, since the very reality it was derived from no longer exists. Furthermore, it would be extremely difficult to prove in any way that the previous reality ever existed.

Caretaker is asking a fundamental question. Once you transition from one timeline to another, how can you be sure that anything you knew about the last timeline's reality is still true in this one? How can events from a previous timeline really lead to those in a current timeline in a way where we can make any sense of the causal connection.

I agree with caretaker on this point ... apocryphal destiny is a scary notion to consider. But it seems we have no choice; our knowledge seems to include information from multiple (consecutive?) timelines, and we have the privilege of retaining it, whereas caretaker and others do not. Perhaps this means that destiny is apocryphal to him and others who are affected by the timeline changes, and not to us.

If nothing else, it's a warning to us. A warning that information and knowledge that is meaningful and sensible to us could be meaningless to others because we have no means of proving its truth or worth. In the absence of being able to prove something to someone on the basis of physical evidence, you could ask that they take it on the basis of faith or belief ... but such a request usually relies on a ongoing personal relationship: 'Trust me because you know me'. But how can people truly know each other enough for that sort of trust when one has experienced a different timeline from the other. What does the past mean when it is not a shared past?

I'm starting to write more questions than answers here, but I think these are the questions that caretaker as alluding to in the chat when he wrote of apocryphal destiny. Prophesy is a notion that is well applied here too, because information that originates from another timeline might very well seem prophetic in nature. I hope apocalyptic doesn't apply anytime soon ... but you never know :-)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:35 pm
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 		xnbomb
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Caretaker twice wrote not apocalyptic prophesy, but apocryphal destiny (although he did write prophesy a bunch of times as well Smile. Seeing him use those particular words raised an eyebrow for me, you don't see the word apocryphal used very often


You are absolutely right. Maybe he didn't want to make me feel stupid, but I wish he had clarified that in the chat today. I found the discussion of reality the most interesting part of the chat. I wish he could hang around more to talk about that -although maybe he just wanted us to start thinking.

Thanks for setting me straight on this, I spent too much time searching websites on various apocalypses to pick up what he was actually telling us.

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xnbomb wrote:
Caretaker twice wrote not apocalyptic prophesy, but apocryphal destiny


And we also have the books of the Apocrypha as well, books not accepted as part of the "canon documents"
Which are:
Old Testament Apocrypha
1 Esdras
1 Maccabees
2 Esdras (a.k.a 4 Ezra)
2 Maccabees
3 Maccabees
4 Ezra (a.ka. 2 Esdras)
4 Maccabees
Baruch
Bel and the Dragon (addition to Daniel)
Daniel and Susanna (addition to Daniel)
Esther, Additions to
Judith
Letter of Jeremiah
Prayer of Azariah (addition to Daniel)
Prayer of Manasseh, The
Psalm 151
Sirach
Tobit
Wisdom of Solomon, The

There are also New Testament apocrypha, some of the writings are available here.

Of special note is perhaps this one:
John the Evangelist

Quote:
I asked the Lord concerning the day of judgement: What shall be the sign of thy coming? And he answered and said unto me: When the numbers of the righteous shall be accomplished that is, the number of the righteous that are crowned, that have fallen, then shall Satan be loosed out of his prison, having great wrath, and shall make war with the righteous, and they shall cry unto the Lord with a loud voice. And immediately the Lord shall command an angel to blow with the trumpet, and the voice of the archangel shall be heard in the trumpet from heaven even unto hell.

And then shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall, and the four winds shall be loosed from their foundations, and shall cause the earth and the sea and the mountains to quake together. And the heaven shall immediately shake and the sun shall be darkened, and it shall shine even to the fourth hour.


And if it is the Apocalypse you are looking for, you can find writings of it here.
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