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Daggra
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[SPEC]A combined theory of Server 2 Okay, after thinking about it for awhile, I came up with a theory that I think is seriously plausible. I don't know whether it has been posted in these forums, but on the CompoundIntelligence forum at Bungie, a couple of the people found out that 716Hz is the frequency of a pulsar. Now, people are confused between the 716Hz, and the 719Hz file that we found. Now, someone suggested that the 719Hz is a completely different and new pulsar. Okay, put a hold on that for now. Going to the Infestation.jpg image, people have speculated a lot on what the two celestial bodies could be. Now, I thought, since everything is connected,how? Could the bigger celestial body in Infestation.jpg, be the 719Hz pulsar? And I also thought that the smaller body could be the Forerunner homeworld that went through Flood infestation. The three pictures would be a time lapse of the environment and temperature changing because of the Flood. Now, this would also relate to the star charts. Many people believe that it shows the planets disappearing because "every 16 hours, the Flood take over another planet." I believe that the star charts are a way that either AR or the Forerunners are trying to show us where their homeworld is. The 719Hz pulsar is unique, since the rest are 716Hz. The 719Hz pulsar could be a reference point used in finding their homeworld. Exactly WHY, the Forerunners want us to know where their homeworld is, I don't know. But it seems to me that the star charts, the 716Hz pulsar, and the Infestation.jpg image all point to this one thing. Digest it and tell me what you think.
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:34 pm
Phyltre
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First we would need a working rationale as to why it would be useful to us to know where the Forerunner homeworld is. Obviously none of us have spaceships, and the Ark is right here on Earth. Wouldn't it be fairly useless knowledge? I'm just curious why you think it's their homeworld they're highlighting.
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:52 pm
Daggra
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In the E3 2007 Halo 3 Trailer, at 1:22 - 1:29, on the WMV one, it shows MC and a couple of Pelicans dropping into a planet that is definitely not Earth. I think that this is the Forerunner homeworld. Coupled with the fact that there are definite Forerunner Halo-like structures around the planet, it seems likely. Maybe the whole point is to give a little insight into what will happen in Halo 3. So far, it seems like everything that happened in the Iris ARG is information of what happened to the Forerunners in the past with the Flood to help us "save the world now." Which of course, we also can't really do. It would seem logical for either AR or the Forerunners themselves to tell us where their homeworld is, even if we can't get there. Sort of like asking someone you know where they live or where they came from, even though you might never go there, it gives you information on them.
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:00 pm
camshaft
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I'm not convinced of the forerunner homeworld thing -- it could be useless information as noted above -- but you may be on to something on the start charts. Any astronomers here?
I believe Pulsars are detected with radio waves, not visual ID. So I don't think the star charts are helpful for that. But star charts can be used for other things, like calculating redshift. Has anyone identified a particular star in the 2 images that appears to have changed?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:34 pm
Daggra
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Hmm, just saying, but wouldn't redshift be a little complicated for us to analyze? Redshift and blueshift are to determine expansion and contraction of the universe(if I remember from my science classes correctly). Though if we did have an astronomer, we could find out something about the star charts that doesn't have to do with redshift.
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:37 pm
camshaft
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Daggra wrote:
Hmm, just saying, but wouldn't redshift be a little complicated for us to analyze? Redshift and blueshift are to determine expansion and contraction of the universe(if I remember from my science classes correctly). Though if we did have an astronomer, we could find out something about the star charts that doesn't have to do with redshift.
It's not that complicated, but it does not seem to lead us anywhere -- it would only tell use if a star was moving away or towards us. I just threw it out there to see if anybody else had any other ideas about what astronomy-type information could be gleaned from the charts. These are the types of pictures used to calculate redshift. What else can they be used to calculate?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:40 pm
FauxHammer
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red and blue shift are basically the doppler effect for light instead of sound.
so it could be used to guesstimate the movement speed of any light emitting or light reflecting object, though we don't have enough information to make a guess when all we have is an image since we don't know what the object's "native" color is.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:18 pm
DeepThroat
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... ... Use a spectrogram with the audio file to create a image...
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:43 pm
oraclle
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FYI the fastest spinning pulsar is PSR J1748-2446ad. It rotates at 716Hz AFAIK. It has been reported as such in numerous scientific journals(and on Jodrell Bank's website, I think they'd know) - though I have seen it noted as spinning at 719Hz in other sources.
It was discovered around January 2006 so unless a new one has been found or the calculations have been re-done I think we can leave this here IMO.
Also pulsars are generally thought to be bad for life(depending on the spectrum of the radiation they emit). I know we're dealing with aliens here but even so...
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:47 pm
DeepThroat
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... ... you all are going at this wrong. it isn't a pulsar pattern down load any spectrogram and open 719. It should look like this.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:54 pm
oraclle
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Re: ... ...
DeepThroat wrote:
you all are going at this wrong. it isn't a pulsar pattern down load any spectrogram and open 719. It should look like this.
We are aware (or at least I am) of this thread : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20091
The OP was expounding a theory on why it was 719Hz that was chosen over any other frequency, as I understand it. I freely admit, though, that I am now speculating on what the OP was speculating about
Addendum:
In the infestation image the closest object is getting bluer and the farthest object is getting redder (remarkably so) but the distance between them doesn't appear to be changing. I therefore believe that the redshift/blueshift phenomenom is being erroneously invoked in this instance.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:14 pm
Daggra
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Hmm, on the whole pulsar and life thing. Everything about life that we know now is only based on our planet. Who can say that "all life needs water, air, etc."? There could be different lifeforms out there that defy our established laws of life. Anyway, I also agree that the redshift/blueshift thing is not really what we're looking for. Oh, and the spectrogram has already come up before, which seems to me like a full lunar cycle thing, or maybe even a different type of glyph.
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:24 pm
Phyltre
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Re: ... ...
DeepThroat wrote:
you all are going at this wrong. it isn't a pulsar pattern down load any spectrogram and open 719. It should look like this.
Please do a little more forum reading next time, instead of being insulting. This is completely off-topic for this thread and has been stated elsewhere.
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:33 pm
oraclle
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Daggra wrote:
Hmm, on the whole pulsar and life thing. Everything about life that we know now is only based on our planet. Who can say that "all life needs water, air, etc."? ...
Yeah, that's why I added "I know we're dealing with aliens here but even so..."
Even life on this planet can survive extremes - there are microbes that can withstand 5Mrads of radiation (400rads can be lethal to humans).
These are hardy organisms though, that are not on the same scale as an "advanced" form of life such as one with hands.
The ability to procreate at a far greater rate (asexual vs sexual) increases the chance of survival in extreme conditions and minimises the amount of time it takes for a species to adapt to it's environment.
As a final note I would say that if a planet is orbiting a pulsar then life could conceivably evolve, though the original abiogenesis/biogenesis would be made vastly more difficult because of the destructive effects of radiation.
So yes you are correct, I was just saying that pulsars are not exactly conducive to life
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:08 pm
MariusDarkwolf
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oraclle wrote:
Daggra wrote:
Hmm, on the whole pulsar and life thing. Everything about life that we know now is only based on our planet. Who can say that "all life needs water, air, etc."? ...
Yeah, that's why I added "I know we're dealing with aliens here but even so..."
Even life on this planet can survive extremes - there are microbes that can withstand 5Mrads of radiation (400rads can be lethal to humans).
These are hardy organisms though, that are not on the same scale as an "advanced" form of life such as one with hands.
The ability to procreate at a far greater rate (asexual vs sexual) increases the chance of survival in extreme conditions and minimises the amount of time it takes for a species to adapt to it's environment.
As a final note I would say that if a planet is orbiting a pulsar then life could conceivably evolve, though the original abiogenesis/biogenesis would be made vastly more difficult because of the destructive effects of radiation.
So yes you are correct, I was just saying that pulsars are not exactly conducive to life
Then maybe its the flood's home planet, kinda of a "Here there be dragons" warning on the map type of thing. I mean the message in the latest flash flat says "We may have been fools to think that all intelligence follows the rules we have set"
And look at how reselient the flood are. They may have started off as a symboiote by evolved to be more parasitic so the species would survive longer in more hostile enviroments
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:19 pm
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