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[META][TRAILHEAD] 1-18-08: Possible new arg/puzzle?
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catherwood
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HetMasteen wrote:
A movie about a non-Christian apocalypse would not draw enough crowds to make money. It will be banned by the church, and the hype will just polarize people.
(bolding is mine) We're getting a bit off-topic, but what the heck, we're using this thread like a chat room these days*

I think the larger population thinks of the word in titles like "Apocalypse Now" and never makes the connection to the Biblical prophecies. Take a movie like "The Rapture" (1991 with Mimi Rogers) and you don't get box office recognition at all.

Why would "The Church" (by which i assume you mean Holy Roman Catholic) want to ban a Hollywood release about the Christian Apocalypse? If anything, wouldn't they back it? Oh, wait, maybe not, as the American Protestant take on end-times includes The Tribulation and The Rapture, which are not part of Catholic dogma. Making any religious movie about the Apocalypse will stir up controversy and divide the target audience. It's a better business decision to pump out "apocalyptic" secular movies. I just love a good end-of-the-world blockbuster!

and I love "Waterworld", i've seen it probably five times now, as it crops up on cable tv frequently.


*(is there no interest in setting up a channel in IRC?)

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sevon
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catherwood wrote:
*(is there no interest in setting up a channel in IRC?)


I don't see why not. While we've kind of run out of steam and things to discuss for now, it would be cool to have an active place to go when and if new information shows up.
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 		That's by no means the real bad robot site (click on home and you'll see this:
This is an unofficial fansite for JJ Abrams)

Basically, there doesn't appear to be a real Bad Robot site, besides badrobot.com, which we now believe has been registered by someone involved with JJ Abrams, presumably just to stop it from being registered by anyone else.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:42 am
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 		If you build it (IRC channel) we will come. Smile

Someone mentioned we're in the "community building" phase with this ARG. I believe so as well. We need to be a little more polite and understanding of each other. Calling someone "stupid" is really getting us nowhere and even drives innocent bystanders away in discomfort.

Also, I brought up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia earlier. ARGS will have puzzles, patterns, and characters that do not require mental gymnastics to achieve. Also, ARGs will not have a barrier to entry so high you have to make massive logical leaps to get from page 1 to page 2.

That being said, a few months down the road, enough of a story will have developed that they can require massive leaps to proceed, but within the framework they have built in the previous, logically connected months of story.

This is true in any form of storytelling, and ARGs are notoriously finicky this way.

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sea_dot
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sevon wrote:
sea_dot wrote:
The "real" Bad Robot web site. A lot less interesting (found nothing there, really). Good luck with the address, though. Most production companies don't list them, but if you ask, they might tell you...


Clearly someone who doesn't follow lost...good luck getting any answers out of anyone even remotely connected to JJ!


What's lost?

Indeed, "good luck." Yet there are ways, among humans, to get answers to questions.

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sevon
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sea_dot wrote:
sevon wrote:
sea_dot wrote:
The "real" Bad Robot web site. A lot less interesting (found nothing there, really). Good luck with the address, though. Most production companies don't list them, but if you ask, they might tell you...


Clearly someone who doesn't follow lost...good luck getting any answers out of anyone even remotely connected to JJ!


What's lost?

Indeed, "good luck." Yet there are ways, among humans, to get answers to questions.


That L should have been capitalized, I was referencing the TV show Lost that JJ Abrams co-created, and which is notorious for creating mysteries and denying fans answers.
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catherwood wrote:
Why would "The Church" (by which i assume you mean Holy Roman Catholic) want to ban a Hollywood release about the Christian Apocalypse?


I said the church (and yes, I do mean the Roman Catholic Church) would want to ban a movie about a non-Christian apocalypse (i.e Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Scientology, Flying Spaghetti Monster).
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HetMasteen wrote:
catherwood wrote:
Why would "The Church" (by which i assume you mean Holy Roman Catholic) want to ban a Hollywood release about the Christian Apocalypse?


I said the church (and yes, I do mean the Roman Catholic Church) would want to ban a movie about a non-Christian apocalypse (i.e Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Scientology, Flying Spaghetti Monster).
Of course, because any victory displayed would "influence" the unbeliever into a path of sin. Twisted Evil

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:10 am
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natedood
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 		Re: Anagram for Slusho Site
Thiking that the slusho site holds a key to another address
natedood wrote:
Hi Guys, I'm new to all things ARG, this trailer has just peaked my interest which as led me here.

Possible idea, the phrase "You cant drink just six" is always on the bottom of the slusho site, ver prominent.

I thought this could possibly be an anagram, my suspicions grew stronger after realizing "DOT" could be part of the letters.

The next step I took was to find out what the valid domain suffixes would be after taking the D,O,T out of the letters, I came up with the following valid suffixes : "ac,ai,an,ar,as,at,au,ca,ci,ck,cn,cr,cs,cu,cx,cy,in,int,ir,is,it,ki,kn,kr,ky,
na,nc,ni,nr,nt,nu,ru,sa,sc,si,sj,sk,sn,sr,st,su,sy,tc,tj,tk,tn,tr,ua,uk,us,uy,yt,yu "

Next, wanting to narrow down that list, I went to go daddy, to find out which domains you can purchase publicly (on a hunch that they would be registered there much like slusho). This narrows the possible domain list down to only : "us,at,cn,nu,tc"

Next, I mapped out all of the common english language anagrams that could be made for each combination, which is a MASSIVE number actually, somewhere around 2,270 possible word matches, not taking order of words into account.

For example, here is a table of the possible suffix, and letters that would be left to unscramble :

us yucanrinkjtsix
at yucnrinkjussix
cn yuarinkjustsix
nu yucarinkjstsix
tc yuanrinkjussix

So the next thing I am going to do, is put a page up with the possible word combinations, for example :

CAR SKINNY XI JUT
CAR IN SIXTY JUNK
CAR IN XI JUNK STY
CAR INN XI JUT SKY
CAR ISN'T XI JUNKY
CAR TIN SIX JUNKY

Etc.

My thought is there is something like CARTINSIXJUNKY DOT US scrambled.

So I need to narrow this massive 2,700+ item list into better hopefulls, i might put some kind of voting thing together or something.

Another thought that I may do is write a program that will make HTTP requests to possible domains to weed it down to only domains that exist. If anyone has a program that can do this very quickly, I can provide you with a list of possible matches.

Anyway, sorry so long, but thought this might be on the right track, or at least something I haven't seen explored yet.

Let me know if you guys think this could be on the right track!!

(email me if you have a program to help ping through the domains)

-Nate
nateSPLATwebclarity.com

P.s. I believe the "X" in the number six is significant. (1) six seems like an unrelated number to the rest of the mystery so far, and (2) if you are going to anagram something, there are only so many ways to hide an "x" - I would imagine if I were building an anagram I would start with the X. My thought is first to narrow down most likely combinations of words for X, and use that list as a jumping off point. (such as SIXTY, SIX (duh), roman num XII, IX, etc)


Ran a script last night to do a DNS look up on all possible word combo's, (2,700) with each possible order of the words, which is about 300,000 domains.

Not one hit. So, I think it is pretty safe to say the "YOU CANT DRINK JUST SIX" is not an anagram for the next site address.

I havent don't random work combinations, to account for strange proper names, but don't think that will help and that would be too large to actually do.

Damn it. =(

Oh well, eliminating possibilities is one way to find a solution too I guess.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:11 am
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killbill
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 		slushozoom.com - Fake?
I thought it was fake but not sure now..
It keeps linking back to other number related to 6 7 and 8. There are also some hidden items.

118follower wrote:
Umm, here's a full picture of that flier. It has Film L.A. Inc's number near the bottom. Hope this helps. :/


PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:17 am
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sea_dot
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sevon wrote:
sea_dot wrote:
sevon wrote:

Clearly someone who doesn't follow lost...good luck getting any answers out of anyone even remotely connected to JJ!


What's lost?

Indeed, "good luck." Yet there are ways, among humans, to get answers to questions.


That L should have been capitalized, I was referencing the TV show Lost that JJ Abrams co-created, and which is notorious for creating mysteries and denying fans answers.


I'm kidding, sorry. I know what Lost is- I'm a big fan. Wink

I'm just saying, there's the mystique and there's the reality. The reality is that Bad Robot is a company that has comings and goings and they do, in fact, have an office with a physical address (like, say, in Santa Monica).

Not that it would do any good- I don't think they have anything on their roof, as HetMasteen was wondering. From my understanding, Google Earth is years behind, anyway, so they'd've had to put it up a while ago! Anyone working there would probably not answer any questions, either, so that's probably just a dead end.

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JimmieBJr
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drho244 wrote:
Christianity is the world's leading religion, especially in the US, where our entire culture is based on it. I think it's safe to assume that most religious apocalyptic movies are going to revolve around Christian ideas. But there's nothing that suggests this movie has anything to do with religion or the apocalypse.


A pedantic note. Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is a group of religions that hold only one thing in common. They can differ wildly on fundamental points of dogma and even often use different Bibles.

That said (and as ArthurEld pointed out) because Christian religions were so fundamental in founding the US (and also had a bit of a hand in British Common Law, etc.) it's not going to really feel like an apocalyptic movie without the occasional Biblical reference (or at least the guy with the sandwich board that said "The End is Near").

There is a difference, though, between expecting a Biblical reference to pop up in an ARG and forcing one where one just isn't evident. The Biblical references I've seen thus far introduced have all seemed really forced, along the lines of, "Well, NYC's blowing up and here are some BIble verses about the world blowing up. Look! Water is referenced in both of them!"

That doesn't work for me. A clue should not be easy to find, but when found, there should be a palpable sense of "Ohhhhh....how'd I miss that?".
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:23 am
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there's a new picture on the movie-site. i don't find anything!!! what u think?

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 		Isn't it funny how more often than not, when "the church" tries to ban a movie, it becomes bigger than it would have if the church had left it alone - and the church isn't able to "ban" it anyway.

As for an "end of the world" with a non-christain slant, i've seen lots of them. Once upon a time, every sci-fi flick out there was an end of life as we know it with no religious reasoning.

So far, yeah, all biblical references here are very forced. I did the born again thing for a while, sat through many many many rapture variation movies... I would think we would have something more obvious by now if a biblical movie this was.

And yes please, someone, anyone, start the irc room #slusho PLEASE!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:37 am
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mdotk wrote:
there's a new picture on the movie-site. i don't find anything!!! what u think?

... and horray to photoshop!
but i still don't see any new possible clue.



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