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[META][TRAILHEAD] 1-18-08: Possible new arg/puzzle?
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tinag222
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This is interesting (most likely unrelated) there is a council that is named ACE, the American Council of Education, which gave its best Adult Learner award to Jay Hillenburg, a man who started his career as a member of the U.S. air force in 1982, he recieved the adult learner award in 2004. Soooooo in 2004 a man who started out in 1982, recieved an ACE award. That is a weird word coincadince IF the sign in the trailer is 1982 2004 ACE. Completely unrelated... just puttin that out there.


Why? What possible reason?

And I'm not shitting on people's ideas. I'm pointing out that just because you see ACE somewhere doesn't make it relevant, no matter how many associations on the net you can find for it. THAT part is irrelevant.

Is this a movie about any sort of graffiti at all? Is anything happening in the script of the trailer where anyone's even remotely discussing graffitti or revelations or anything of that nature? Are there any religious overtones shown?

NO.

It was a random shot of some shit that was likely ALREADY THERE when the whole crew showed up to film. The inside where the wetbar is there's a graffitti wall and various graffitti art spread around. So if you're going down this trail, then I would suggest you lay off the religious shit and start looking closer at the graffitti artists in NY where this is presumably taking place, and various artworks that might be relevant to this group AT ALL in the context of the events of the trailer.

My wager is you'll find enormous connections to all things graffitti art in new york...and ZERO direct connection back to the characters or the script of the 'plot' we've been presented with.

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Iamthequestion
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rhialto wrote:
fishysticks wrote:
Ragtime Pianist wrote:
I never realized this... What news channel is on at midnight anyways?


"BREAKING NEWS!"

I'm sure a thunderous roar and what feels like an earthquake makes for an immediate newscast, regardless of the time.


Someone explained that NY1 is 24 hour news.


it is possible they are playing the game too, maybe someeaster eggs on the site

its a news channel weve had in NY for a long time time now channel 01 on teh cable box

NY1
you can stream the latest news from the website
http://www.ny1.com

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I for one am going to laugh hysterically if while Slusho! is part of the game, and ends up pointing us somewhere else- it has absolutely nothing to do with the movie other than having someone wear the shirt.
I do think it would be kind of lame if some Slurpee wanna-be drink mutated its consumers into huge SOL head wielding monsters (which i've read numerous times).

and Tinag, even if you aren't crapping all over everyones ideas in your mind.. you are extremely hostile, and for no reason.
No matter where you go, people don't read and they don't listen and they have their own thoughts. Ignore them, and get on with whatever important research you happen to be doing.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:27 pm
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tinag222 wrote:
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This is interesting (most likely unrelated) there is a council that is named ACE, the American Council of Education, which gave its best Adult Learner award to Jay Hillenburg, a man who started his career as a member of the U.S. air force in 1982, he recieved the adult learner award in 2004. Soooooo in 2004 a man who started out in 1982, recieved an ACE award. That is a weird word coincadince IF the sign in the trailer is 1982 2004 ACE. Completely unrelated... just puttin that out there.


Why? What possible reason?

And I'm not shitting on people's ideas. I'm pointing out that just because you see ACE somewhere doesn't make it relevant, no matter how many associations on the net you can find for it. THAT part is irrelevant.

Is this a movie about any sort of graffiti at all? Is anything happening in the script of the trailer where anyone's even remotely discussing graffitti or revelations or anything of that nature? Are there any religious overtones shown?

NO.

It was a random shot of some shit that was likely ALREADY THERE when the whole crew showed up to film. The inside where the wetbar is there's a graffitti wall and various graffitti art spread around. So if you're going down this trail, then I would suggest you lay off the religious shit and start looking closer at the graffitti artists in NY where this is presumably taking place, and various artworks that might be relevant to this group AT ALL in the context of the events of the trailer.

My wager is you'll find enormous connections to all things graffitti art in new york...and ZERO direct connection back to the characters or the script of the 'plot' we've been presented with.
LOL dude that was just a joke i posted the first thing that came up. I really think that ACE may be related ONLY on the sole reason that it gets illuminated and is obviously visible. Nothing I posted before was really my opinion, it was just a joke

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Just a final thought before I head off to bed (4:23 AM local time):

All this talk of the NY1 site, and 108films and such leads me to believe that if this is indeed an ARG, we should expect some event that occurs in the PRESENT in the alternate reality. So far we have been confronted with images from the AR's FUTURE. Assuming this film puts an emphasis on "real time" (like 24, for example), it means that those events will occur on January 18, 2008. You catch my drift?

Hopefully the next picture will be of something time coded July, 2007, which will lead us to the next step (please please let this be worth all the work!)
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tinag222 wrote:
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This is interesting (most likely unrelated) there is a council that is named ACE, the American Council of Education, which gave its best Adult Learner award to Jay Hillenburg, a man who started his career as a member of the U.S. air force in 1982, he recieved the adult learner award in 2004. Soooooo in 2004 a man who started out in 1982, recieved an ACE award. That is a weird word coincadince IF the sign in the trailer is 1982 2004 ACE. Completely unrelated... just puttin that out there.


Why? What possible reason?

And I'm not shitting on people's ideas. I'm pointing out that just because you see ACE somewhere doesn't make it relevant, no matter how many associations on the net you can find for it. THAT part is irrelevant.

Is this a movie about any sort of graffiti at all? Is anything happening in the script of the trailer where anyone's even remotely discussing graffitti or revelations or anything of that nature? Are there any religious overtones shown?

NO.

It was a random shot of some shit that was likely ALREADY THERE when the whole crew showed up to film. The inside where the wetbar is there's a graffitti wall and various graffitti art spread around. So if you're going down this trail, then I would suggest you lay off the religious shit and start looking closer at the graffitti artists in NY where this is presumably taking place, and various artworks that might be relevant to this group AT ALL in the context of the events of the trailer.

My wager is you'll find enormous connections to all things graffitti art in new york...and ZERO direct connection back to the characters or the script of the 'plot' we've been presented with.


You do shit on people's, its most of what you post here. That being said -
I am willing to bet that Abrams considers himself a Hitchcock of sorts, and nothing is "Just in a movie" if you dont know anyone in the business...

Also, if you do freezeframe the entire trailer (which they most likely also did when editing) then you will see that certain things you will never be able to read, and certain shots have focused on words clearly(slusho being one of them). If abrams is having 'fun' as he stated, then you can bet that most things that are clearly readable were meant to be that way in many instances. And I would think even MORE SO when trying to cover up what his movie is about. What better way to hype it up than to have all os us watching it over and over and over? You dont seem to understand viral marketing at all.

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Dunno if this helps. I take NY1 for granted, we've had it for about 15 years already.

it is a 24 hour news channel its parent comany is time warner and the reaction of it being the first thing to turn too when something happens in the city is very realistic. that being said. the news caster on the trailer is a real newscaster, she actually is a reporter. the temperature is way off for NYC that time of year and time of day, it is never that warm in the middle of winter in the middle of the night in NYC, so IT MUST BE DELIBERATE.

they have been known to have fun and be a little offbeat sometimes on that channel, so it's not impossible for them to be a part of the ARG or as i call it, "The Untitled Experience" as per my retarded blog I started to try to collect all my thoughts on this thing.
http://january182008.blogspot.com/



ok thats it i really have to be on my way to work now.

heres a link again for those that missed it

http://www.ny1.com/index.jsp

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If I may make an observation here, at this point.

ARGs are stories, pure and simple. They are extremely difficult to write, and rely on strong characterization and a well-created backdrop to play in.

At this time, we do not have the minimum necessary for this game to be considered "active." A good ARG (heck, even a bad ARG) will have an invitation that opens the door to the first bread crumb. Our invitation could have been the Slusho shirt - smart money is on that.

However, I believe the ARG is not yet started - the bread crumb is not yet "out of the oven" so to speak.

That bread crumb needs a very, very low barrier to entry. Think of this like an author - he needs to suck you into the story, then he needs to flesh out his characters so you care about them. After this comes plot, backstory, twists and turns. You simply can't do this much different without losing your audience.

We got sucked into the story - with a bang. Now, the storyteller needs to introduce the characters with which we will interact. These characters will be archetypical in many ways - they won't be presented as complex until we proceed down the rabbit hole for quite a while.

Our next clue will likely be on the order of a Slusho shirt in a single frame. It will not be something that requires specialized knowledge or esoteric research to achieve.

Those things may very well happen, but only after the stage is set and we have met the characters.

Please continue to be polite and supportive of one another, but also remember that we are not yet in an ARG yet, and we have no reason to believe it has started.

Newer players may want to look up the cloudmakers.org archives and see how an ARG unfolds. The Beast was the template on which most ARGs have been stamped, and even if you believe this one will slaughter sacred cows in ARG design, it still has to adhere to basic rules of storytelling and entertainment.

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Anonymous wrote:
If I may make an observation here, at this point.

ARGs are stories, pure and simple. They are extremely difficult to write, and rely on strong characterization and a well-created backdrop to play in.

At this time, we do not have the minimum necessary for this game to be considered "active." A good ARG (heck, even a bad ARG) will have an invitation that opens the door to the first bread crumb. Our invitation could have been the Slusho shirt - smart money is on that.

However, I believe the ARG is not yet started - the bread crumb is not yet "out of the oven" so to speak.

That bread crumb needs a very, very low barrier to entry. Think of this like an author - he needs to suck you into the story, then he needs to flesh out his characters so you care about them. After this comes plot, backstory, twists and turns. You simply can't do this much different without losing your audience.

We got sucked into the story - with a bang. Now, the storyteller needs to introduce the characters with which we will interact. These characters will be archetypical in many ways - they won't be presented as complex until we proceed down the rabbit hole for quite a while.

Our next clue will likely be on the order of a Slusho shirt in a single frame. It will not be something that requires specialized knowledge or esoteric research to achieve.

Those things may very well happen, but only after the stage is set and we have met the characters.

Please continue to be polite and supportive of one another, but also remember that we are not yet in an ARG yet, and we have no reason to believe it has started.

Newer players may want to look up the cloudmakers.org archives and see how an ARG unfolds. The Beast was the template on which most ARGs have been stamped, and even if you believe this one will slaughter sacred cows in ARG design, it still has to adhere to basic rules of storytelling and entertainment.


You say true.
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Hey, can someone confirm whether or not the alleged JJ Abrams correspondence sent to Knowles at AICN has been corroborated from another source as being authentic? It seems that everyone simply assumes that it must be legit based solely on an AICN posting. Unless, of course, I'm out of the loop regarding some other established intelligence.

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??

Anonymous wrote:
If I may make an observation here, at this point.

ARGs are stories, pure and simple. They are extremely difficult to write, and rely on strong characterization and a well-created backdrop to play in.

At this time, we do not have the minimum necessary for this game to be considered "active." A good ARG (heck, even a bad ARG) will have an invitation that opens the door to the first bread crumb. Our invitation could have been the Slusho shirt - smart money is on that.

However, I believe the ARG is not yet started - the bread crumb is not yet "out of the oven" so to speak.

That bread crumb needs a very, very low barrier to entry. Think of this like an author - he needs to suck you into the story, then he needs to flesh out his characters so you care about them. After this comes plot, backstory, twists and turns. You simply can't do this much different without losing your audience.

We got sucked into the story - with a bang. Now, the storyteller needs to introduce the characters with which we will interact. These characters will be archetypical in many ways - they won't be presented as complex until we proceed down the rabbit hole for quite a while.

Our next clue will likely be on the order of a Slusho shirt in a single frame. It will not be something that requires specialized knowledge or esoteric research to achieve.

Those things may very well happen, but only after the stage is set and we have met the characters.

Please continue to be polite and supportive of one another, but also remember that we are not yet in an ARG yet, and we have no reason to believe it has started.

Newer players may want to look up the cloudmakers.org archives and see how an ARG unfolds. The Beast was the template on which most ARGs have been stamped, and even if you believe this one will slaughter sacred cows in ARG design, it still has to adhere to basic rules of storytelling and entertainment.

Does that mean we give up trying to research

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Firstly, nobody should be shitting on anyone's ideas that are based on something credible and reasonably relevant. Right now we're all in the same boat - we know 1-18-08.com and slusho.jp, and we're all looking for the next place to go to. We've checked out all of the usual suspects, followed up everything that looks obvious, and now we have to resort to either waiting for more information from the official sites or grabbing at less tangible threads.

However, simply trying to pull whatever numbers you see and finding a relationship to something else that involves numbers almost always ends up in a dead-end lead. We see a lot of numbers - 1, 18, 8, 1987, 2004, 63, 12, 32, 36, 48, 3293, 401 - we could use arithmetic to link those numbers to pretty much everything from the books of the holy bible to last night's winning powerball numbers. And the opposite can be true for Revealations being related to a number of events that happened in the past 1000 years. Just ask Pat Robertson, he's been saying that the end of days is deathly near for the past 30 years.

We have to remember what we're looking for is a tangible link to the next part of the ARG - a website to visit, an email address, a phone number to call for a voicemail message, or perhaps a backdoor link to the movie gathered from a related source - like the NY1 website or Greg Baxter or the shooting crew in those Slusho vans, people we know had a hand in the production. And through all of this, we're assuming that those threads actually exist because J.J. said there was more than once site and that we hadn't discovered any others besides 1-18-08; for all we know these other sites aren't live yet. However, in the hope that these sites are indeed live and just waiting for us, we must continue to pursue any leads we can find, if we can make a coherent argument that they may be related to the movie trailer or Slusho.

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AQueryan wrote:
Hey, can someone confirm whether or not the alleged JJ Abrams correspondence sent to Knowles at AICN has been corroborated from another source as being authentic? It seems that everyone simply assumes that it must be legit based solely on an AICN posting. Unless, of course, I'm out of the loop regarding some other established intelligence.

I just heard it was confirmed I dont know about these other guys though

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I've read most of this, but not all of it so sorry if the significance has already been determine, but can you tell me when is it 63 degrees in January in New York. This, I think, is a pretty obvious clue.

Anyone?

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AQueryan wrote:
Hey, can someone confirm whether or not the alleged JJ Abrams correspondence sent to Knowles at AICN has been corroborated from another source as being authentic? It seems that everyone simply assumes that it must be legit based solely on an AICN posting. Unless, of course, I'm out of the loop regarding some other established intelligence.


What do you want? These are two public figures that know each other. If it wasn't true for whatever reason, surely Abrams would have said something by now.

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