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Varin
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 		Just wanted to say again that anyone who wants to join in is welcome. This may be a "training grounds" ARG, but we still want it to be fun and include anyone who wants to take part. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:18 pm
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Flynn
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 		After reading all the ideas for the basis of the story, I've got too many ideas to put in a post here, so I've thrown together a very basic page with some ideas on it here.

*Disclaimer* When I say thrown together, I mean it. It's got a logo and some text. It's not meant to be any kind of proper site, it's done in Notepad. Just wanted to throw some ideas out there, cos I'm sat at home with nothing better to do and needed to make something Wink

EDIT - now there's a picture as well. Woo. Just playing with ideas really Laughing

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MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?


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Flynn wrote:
After reading all the ideas for the basis of the story, I've got too many ideas to put in a post here, so I've thrown together a very basic page with some ideas on it here.


Flynn, I like it, I like it. Sometimes simple is better. It looks very very nice. Very Happy

*edit* OMG you even found reference pages!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:08 pm
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Slyfox
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 		Orbicon Inc
Flynn, Looks good Very Happy.

Q.) Do you propose the research facility to be owned by Orbicon?. How large do you image New Dawn to be?; Is the mining work complete? Are there any competitors to Orbicon?

If this is to work we need to agree on a PM to 'take ownership' of setting the where and the when. Then, set a deadline for ideas and suggestions. For this we might need to set up an email address so that good plot ideas aren't posted in public. Once all the ideas are in one or two experienced PMs will need to sift through it all and set it all in stone (no pun intended).

So, do we still need to decide on an earthside facility? Define a few major characters for the arc? Set some ground rules for respecting others work?
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Slyfox
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Is this an omen for success or failure?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3517319.stm
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:38 am
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Flynn
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Slyfox wrote:
Q.) Do you propose the research facility to be owned by Orbicon?. How large do you image New Dawn to be?; Is the mining work complete? Are there any competitors to Orbicon?


Aaargh! So many questions Very Happy Seriously - thanks for the positive feedback folks. Bear in mind that I put the page together because I had various ideas from various people running around in my head, and rather than try make some sort of sense of what I was thinking here, I found it easier to have a go at putting some kind of page together. I guess what I'm trying to say is that what's there is there purely as one suggestion, so I hadn't really put any thought into the fine detail.

*EDIT - potential spoilers removed Cool Head to Yahoo (for now) for answers to Slyfox's questions*

A couple of things - as you may have guessed, somehow we came upon a theme that happens to coincide with a topic that fascinates me, which is probably why I've got so into the idea. If everyone's happy with the basic idea, I'd be happy to start working on a "proper" Orbicon site along the lines of the one I've already done. However, I don't want to push people down a road they aren't comfortable with - especially as we are going to ask different teams to work with this material. Can we get some indication if everyone's happy with the outline? Oh - bear in mind that action doesn't have to happen in orbit. We have a ground station to play with, too, as Slyfox mentioned.

Finally, you probably noticed I was a bit vague about when this was all happening. I'm thinking near future - next 15-20 years (this is the timescale that the most optimistic space elevator scientists talk about). With the added impetus of a near miss with an asteroid, and the fact that the material for our orbital station is just sitting there waiting to be exploited, and I reckon this is believable (just Very Happy )

Phew. Amazing what goes through your mind when have a dull few hours in the car Shocked

EDIT - Slyfox, I just noticed your location. Laughing Laughing How did you get up there??

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MageSteff
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Flynn wrote:

Research facility owned and managed by Orbicon as an integral part of the OTS, ...

I was thinking that Orbicon would have no competitors, but a thought this morning was that we could have an anti-Orbicon pressure group.


I think it is time to move this portion of the discussion to either Delphi, Yahoogroups or to the phpBB that was offered.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:02 pm
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Flynn
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Magesteff wrote:
I think it is time to move this portion of the discussion to either Delphi, Yahoogroups or to the phpBB that was offered.


Yep, agreed. I'll copy my post to the Yahoo group - if we decide to go elsewhere we can easily repost it.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:18 pm
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Kueko
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 		Maybe a few of us already have domain they are willing to loan for the game... though it isn't nessacary I guess. I, for one, have Arkinia.com which may or may not be useable for our purposes...

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MageSteff
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Kueko wrote:
Maybe a few of us already have domain they are willing to loan for the game... though it isn't nessacary I guess. I, for one, have Arkinia.com which may or may not be useable for our purposes...


Thank you Kueko, the offer is appreciated and we may indeed call upon your generosity. Very Happy Exclamation
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:13 am
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bagsbee
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Kueko wrote:
Maybe a few of us already have domain they are willing to loan for the game... though it isn't nessacary I guess. I, for one, have Arkinia.com which may or may not be useable for our purposes...


Might I suggest that we don't post possible in-game domain names? Granted, this is a unique situation - the curtain is already semi-open to begin with. But maybe we don't wanna give away too much before the game even starts.

Let me restate the above in the form of a question: How do we actively recruit people and encourage the exchange of ideas out in the open, while at the same time maintaining some form of curtain?

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bill
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bagsbee wrote:
How do we actively recruit people and encourage the exchange of ideas out in the open, while at the same time maintaining some form of curtain?


Here's one way: Wink

I have six slightly used domains available for loan. Please have one person contact me if interested.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:42 pm
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Flynn
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wb wrote:
I have six slightly used domains available for loan. Please have one person contact me if interested.


Thanks for the offer, much appreciated Very Happy

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bagsbee wrote:
How do we actively recruit people and encourage the exchange of ideas out in the open, while at the same time maintaining some form of curtain?


I'm one of those people on the outside. I thought the whole point of this exercise was to have NO curtain. Even during the game, I wanted to be able to watch how an ARG operates. The education comes from seeing how and when certain decisions get made, including hosting and security and plotlines.

I fully expected every in-game website to be located at www.unfiction.com/trainingground/ (or whereever they might end up). Sure, it breaks the realism, but this is not a case of TINAG in any sense of the term.

Is this training ground only intended for the PMs-in-training? I assumed my role would be as a member of the playing audience who is also free to converse with the PMs and give feedback on every aspect of the proceedings. We want to be able to watch how things are handled when the unexpected happens -- at least I do.

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Flynn
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catherwood-offline wrote:
I'm one of those people on the outside. I thought the whole point of this exercise was to have NO curtain. Even during the game, I wanted to be able to watch how an ARG operates. The education comes from seeing how and when certain decisions get made, including hosting and security and plotlines.


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Is this training ground only intended for the PMs-in-training? I assumed my role would be as a member of the playing audience who is also free to converse with the PMs and give feedback on every aspect of the proceedings. We want to be able to watch how things are handled when the unexpected happens -- at least I do.


Interesting. My own understanding (to the others involved - please correct me if I'm wrong Smile ) is that this is intended for the "wannabes", to get our feet wet, without some of the RL risks involved, money for one! I hadn't even thought about players wanting to watch the process. From the limited progress we have made to date, we will most likely be bringing down a curtain on the storyline before much detail has been finailised. On top of that, once we split into teams each team will probably have it's own private area to prepare their parts of the story - this will give the other teams a chance to take part in the game too. So unless I've grossly misunderstood the progress so far, I'd say what we're doing is probably not along the lines you're talking about.

On the other hand, we are planning to be completely upfront that This IS A Game (tm) Wink One of the original suggestions was that in the event of problems/difficulties with puzzles/questions from players the PM's would be in front of what curtain there is, and I personally still think that this is a good idea. But I really do think that we need a curtain of sorts. If everyone knows the story including it's ending, what's the point in playing?

Based on all that, a suggestion to hopefully satisfy players curiosity as to the process of creating an ARG. We keep everything - chat logs, forum postings, work in progress pages, notes, any kind of document that we create. Once the game has been completed, we make the whole lot available for perusal by anyone who wants have a look at how things develop and change during the course of a game. Would this help? And what do my fellow wannabes think?

EDIT to add: an edited snippet from a chat I had with bagsbee just now, if it helps to clarify my view of things (bagsbee - hope you don't mind Smile ):

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bagsbee: so I was wondering whether or not we should start brainstorming sessions out in the open, or ask *deleted* to make the forum private
Flynn: i think we need to get it private asap
bagsbee: I mean, granted, the curtain is semi-open to begin with
Flynn: thing is, even with the curtain being semi open
bagsbee: but it'd be naive to think that there aren't lurkers out there
Flynn: it would be a shame if someone followed the development and then spoiled the story for the players
bagsbee: exactly
bagsbee: then again, we are still recruiting potential PMs
Flynn: true
Flynn: maybe keep it open for now, and only post fairly general ideas for now
bagsbee: it's an interesting situation
bagsbee: PMs being gathered out in the open


*Disclaimer* These are the views of this individual, and do not necessarily represent the views of Orbicon Inc or it's subsidiaries Very Happy Very Happy

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