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[META][TRAILHEAD] 1-18-08: Possible new arg/puzzle?
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timbab
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 		http://cloverfieldclues.blogspot.com/ !!

Small clip of LA filming of 'Slusho" also has 2 pictures.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:36 pm
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 		Re: ARG or not?
Some thoughts...
HetMasteen wrote:
My point was that running a full time ARG that has daily, or even weekly, updates is a formidable job. I just doubt it would be done as a movie promo.
Plus, it's beside the point. Forget the part about Bad Robot for a second and focus on my entire point.


Two things.

1) The Beast (the AI ARG) ran for much longer than six months, with updates twice a week. It ran so long that it didn't end until after well after it had finished its run in theaters. They had their own team that was bankrolled, as I recall mostly By Microsoft and partially by the movie studio.

2) That game began as a movie promo. Some of the initial clues were embedded in the credits and graphical elements of the trailer and others were printed on a limited run of movie posters.

It's quite possible that I, seeing something that walked like an ARG and quacked like an ARG, deduced incorrectly it was a ready-to-play ARG. I could probably be forgiven my deduction. Remember that we didn't go seeking out the ARG, it was handed to us via the trailer. The two web sites are almost stereotypical for an ARG.

That said, if Abrams or whoever wasn't ready for the ARG to get rolling, they certainly should not have introduced it. It's not a huge secret that when an ARG hits, there's an audience ready to break it down to its component molecules. The folks behind that should have accounted for that as a basic assumption of the game. Assuming it is an ARG, not assuming that vital point points to sloppy work. If they're that sloppy about one of the big things, how sloppy are they going to be about the little things? Well, I think we've seen that in the Slusho site updates and the floating point problem on the 1-18-08 site. If it is an ARG that's already this riddled with problems, how likely is it that it'll be squared away when they are ready to turn it loose? Not terribly, would be my guess.

And when it is, then what? The air has been so fogged with crackpot theories, tenuous connections, and navel-gazing that you'd have to have clues the size of...well..whatever blowed up Manhattan real good to get through the clutter. Who wants a game where the clues are all the size of lesser planetoids? Who's going to have enough enthusiasm after all the raised expectations to pursue them? Not too many I'd guess. They squandered a lot of enthusiasm by dickering around, if dickering they've done.

But that sloppiness doesn't jibe with what I know of Abrams. Though I don't follow his work, I know that he has a great reputation for being very attentive to details and continuity. What I've seen of this does not fit his reputation at all. That's one of the big things that's leading me to believe that this really isn't an ARG.

It may be. It could be that this was the one in a million chance that Abrams got caught ill-informed and flatfooted. It could be that he gets some good people on the project and they turn in a stellar performance. I sincerely hope that both are true because I'd love to see another stellar ARG. I think that, of the filmmakers who could do a great ARG tied to a movie, J.J. Abrams is at the top of the list. I Just don't see that as the likely outcome based on a common-sense reading of what we've all seen for two weeks.
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 		Re: ARG or not?
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...answered my question about TLE


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 		Re: ARG or not?
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robotkarateman wrote:
HetMasteen wrote:
My point was that running a full time ARG that has daily, or even weekly, updates is a formidable job. I just doubt it would be done as a movie promo.


Then you don't know your history of ARGs. The biggest and best ARG done yet was a promo for the movie "AI". I suggest you read up on Cloudmakers.org.


First of all, I don't know my history of ARGs. Everything I said was just an opinion, and wasn't based on much experience (though I have some).

I've also heard of frequent updates on other ARGs (TLE for example), but those were all blog updates and such. This supposed ARG isn't at the blog stage yet. We don't know if we'll even get there, but we might. At that point, frequent updates will also seem more likely. At the moment, we don't really have any source that would normally yield daily results (I think 1-18-08.com will have little or nothing to do with an ARG, if one starts).
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 		As more time goes by, the more I am convinced that ComicCon is going to get the ball rolling.

If this truly is an ARG (signs point towards "yes"), I think all the pieces are already in place, but we have not been given sufficient enough of a starting point. I think that "key", that "codex", is the missing link, and I have reason to believe ComicCon is the place where we'll see it if it truly does exist.

Abrams has a precedent for getting things started at ComicCon; TLE part 3 started with Rachel Blake standing up and yelling at the Lost producers, entirely in character.

Furthermore, I have reason to believe that, in games of this nature, there's always a "scout" that works with the puppetmasters that keeps an eye on what the public is doing so that, if there is an unknown flaw or something overlooked in the game, they'll know about it. Therefore, if there is a game here and we are too caught up in our absurd speculations to not see it, those that run the game would have either "fixed" it or give us anonymous hints in the hopes that somebody serious will catch on and follow it up.

Of course, J. J. Abrams himself could be in here screaming at the top of his lungs and we wouldn't hear him because we're too busy banging our head on the desk, trying to ignore the last eighteen posts about how the monster is really a giant California Raisin.
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Nighthawk wrote:
As more time goes by, the more I am convinced that ComicCon is going to get the ball rolling.

If this truly is an ARG (signs point towards "yes"), I think all the pieces are already in place, but we have not been given sufficient enough of a starting point. I think that "key", that "codex", is the missing link, and I have reason to believe ComicCon is the place where we'll see it if it truly does exist.


I agree. Without a starting point, nothing can get moving. We were given a starting point for what I like to call Part 1 (the trailer airing), but now we're stuck. Either we're missing something very obvious or J.J. hasn't given us enough to work with. I'm betting on the latter.

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Actually, it didn't come out on the 3rd. It came out on the 2nd. It's a common misconception. A lot of people think Transformers was released on the 3rd (day before 4th of July). It wasn't. It came out on the 2nd as well.


Not quite. If you're going to include the preview/screening of Transformers, many saw that on June 28; the next day it hit the fan at AICN and Firstshowing.net.

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 		Re: ARG or not?
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HetMasteen wrote:
My point was that running a full time ARG that has daily, or even weekly, updates is a formidable job. I just doubt it would be done as a movie promo.
Plus, it's beside the point. Forget the part about Bad Robot for a second and focus on my entire point.


I understood the point of your post. Nothing in my question inferred otherwise. My question wasn't inclusive of your entire post; only one sentence. That's why I only quoted the one sentence. I made no commentary as to your entire post, which is why I didn't quote your entire post. See how that works? For you to imply a lack of comprehension on my part by highlighting your own lack of comprehension seems an odd way to broach the subject; to each his/her own.

Don't get me wrong, I realize that you've gained quite a bit of expertise in your ten days here at Unfiction, and I genuinely appreciate your willingness to dictate to me which parts I should forget about and which points I should be focusing on, but I have to say...I think I'm going to have to forge ahead in my own way.
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 		Re: ARG or not?
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Blue K wrote:
HetMasteen wrote:
My point was that running a full time ARG that has daily, or even weekly, updates is a formidable job. I just doubt it would be done as a movie promo.
Plus, it's beside the point. Forget the part about Bad Robot for a second and focus on my entire point.


I understood the point of your post. Nothing in my question inferred otherwise. My question wasn't inclusive of your entire post; only one sentence. That's why I only quoted the one sentence. I made no commentary as to your entire post, which is why I didn't quote your entire post. See how that works? For you to imply a lack of comprehension on my part by highlighting your own lack of comprehension seems an odd way to broach the subject; to each his/her own.

Don't get me wrong, I realize that you've gained quite a bit of expertise in your ten days here at Unfiction, and I genuinely appreciate your willingness to dictate to me which parts I should forget about and which points I should be focusing on, but I have to say...I think I'm going to have to forge ahead in my own way.


First of all, the fact that I'm new to unfiction is irrelevant to my ARG experience. Second, the reason I wrote that was because someone spends time presenting some point. But when he posts it, someone else comes along and quotes a single sentence and asks a question that's completely irrelevant to the point presented, causing the original point to be ignored. It breaks the flow of conversation, and is also rude and annoying.
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timbab wrote:
http://cloverfieldclues.blogspot.com/ !!

Small clip of LA filming of 'Slusho" also has 2 pictures.


Pretty cool.


So whatever it is, we know it's going to be big and easily seen because they have so many military personnel moving about.

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 		I'm not sure if this has been talked about before, but the monster is vaguely visible in the trailer. Slow it down a bunch, and before the Head of Liberty (as I've started to call it) comes down when they're on the street, I'm pretty sure you can see the monster.

Lots of people have been saying it looks like smoke, and that could be a possibility, but I believe it's the monster.

That said, even if it is the monster, you can't tell much as the image is so faint. I could really be anything, but I'm fairly sure it's not smoke.

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BladdyDah wrote:
timbab wrote:
http://cloverfieldclues.blogspot.com/ !!

Small clip of LA filming of 'Slusho" also has 2 pictures.


Pretty cool.


So whatever it is, we know it's going to be big and easily seen because they have so many military personnel moving about.


People seem to be running awfully non-chalantly in that imagery. It's as if they're running away more from the military presence than the creature itself.

If a 600' creature was chasing behind me, I'd be running full bore, running over people, running over cars, etc... Everyone's jogging; it looks like the New York Marathon.

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Nighthawk wrote:
BladdyDah wrote:
timbab wrote:
http://cloverfieldclues.blogspot.com/ !!

Small clip of LA filming of 'Slusho" also has 2 pictures.


Pretty cool.


So whatever it is, we know it's going to be big and easily seen because they have so many military personnel moving about.


People seem to be running awfully non-chalantly in that imagery. It's as if they're running away more from the military presence than the creature itself.

If a 600' creature was chasing behind me, I'd be running full bore, running over people, running over cars, etc... Everyone's jogging; it looks like the New York Marathon.


but it's not like this was an official screening so you never know what's serious or what isn't but about the people running slow, maybe it's another part that hasn't been reach yet and they're trying to evacuate. Or right after the explosions...

but still with all the military moving fast to a location it must mean there's something to be fought.

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 		Yeah, the people are hardly moving at all. I saw maybe one guy jump over a car. Everyone else looked like they were out for a morning jog.

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timbab wrote:
http://cloverfieldclues.blogspot.com/ !!

Small clip of LA filming of 'Slusho" also has 2 pictures.
Hmm.. looks like they're trying to recreate the Sephora store on 19th (or 20th)Street and 5th ave..

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