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darkling
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 		I wonder if we would have even gotten our own thread if it wasn't for all the jacking. The total absence of a real PM has made this game a jackers safe-haven. Tell me, why do these people do these stupid things?

Ciss,
I agree with you on the fact about how it ruins all future games for me. I am not giving my details out and I am seriously considering leaving this forum and having my name deleted. You can't believe that people would actually be looking at my personal site, sending AIMs asking about this, and sending e-mails. It's really ridiculous. Wonder how long until the next video? Can you believe it was 3 months between video 5 and 6? What were we to do between that time? The only thing that kept us occupied was rhino and his ridiculous chats.

Hudey

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Wilkeking
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 		I made a specific email for arg's, but still. Most people use the same username for multiple sites and it concerns me that people might use that "against" us and bring our real life into their game.

If I were a rpg player I wouldn't go to work wearing my +3 armor and broadsword strung on my side. I think the same should apply to this, we play a game, the game shouldn't play us. A mind freak here and there is fine within reason, but WOW! If my work ever got called by a ARG in that matter, I would be burning houses down looking for who to report to the authorities.

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Brrittany
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 		Okay, Stan is really freaking me out now. I gave him all names.

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Unfortunately we do not currently have the resources to investigate all possible Rhinojock screen names, as there is essentially no limit
to the number of them. However, currently there is only one person on which we are focusing our attentions. (It is not any of the dozens of people who you
or others have notified us of.) Should you continue to receive contact of this kind do not hesitate to call the local authorities. Whether the
Bristel Goodman phenomenon is a real event, a hoax, or an ARG, you should take all precautions to protect your individual safety.


SY



Now can we go back to Jones? That's creepy. No more Rhinos for me.

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Giskard
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cissmiace wrote:
Yes, contact the unfiction mods or admin about this. This is a very serious matter, and if it continues then I suggest the police are called, immediatley.

Hi,

Thanks for your concern. As a matter of fact, we were contacted about this earlier today by some concerned players, however, there's not too much we can do with this information, as we don't know who the Bristel Goodman PMs are, nor have we any influence on how this game is run. Therefor, we have no information on wether or not certain people are in-game or out-of-game.

My take on the above is that this does not sound like something that would regularly happen in an ARG, because it borders on harrassment and does not exactly classify as respectful conduct by the PMs.

Now that this has been posted here, I'm sure the PMs will find a way to clarify wether or not this was an in-game 'event' or a gamejack.

cissmiace wrote:
I would also reccomend posting the telephone number that this 'Rhino' is calling from. That way further checks can be made, and further action can be taken. Dont protect the number from this arsehole. He needs to be delt with accordingly.

That's not exactly a good idea; posting someone's contact information on a forum is not the right way to handle this, whatever bad stuff they may have done. Let it be clear that any private information posted on these boards will be removed by a moderator.

If either Hudey123 or Brrittany see a reason to take further action, they should indeed go to the police, but the way it sounds, it's already been taken care of for now.

cissmiace wrote:
hudey123 wrote:
I'm never giving my details out again.

And thats the problem. This idiot has succesfully ruined any further enjoyment and contact you would have in the future with any other ARG's/CF because you wont do that again because of what this joker has done.

I'd like to give the following bit of friendly advice: never give out any personal details unless it is absolutely and 100% certain you're dealing with what is confirmed to be in-game. Even then, I wouldn't share it in a private conversation with a character. If PMs want to collect their player's personal data, they'll find a believable and reliable way to do it, instead of asking for it via an AIM conversation or personal e-mail.

cissmiace wrote:
And the Admins should be contacted because this is serious. And I for one dont want ARG's and Unfiction getting a bad name.

In the end, Unfiction is here to facilitate discussing this game but cannot be held responsible for it's content. We will do whatever we can to shut down gamejacks when they happen on these boards and warn players for situations like these.

For now, let's wait and see what the PMs will do in reaction to what happened. In the meantime, please feel free to contact me (use the PM/e-mail buttons below) or any of the other admins for clarification or any further questions.

ETA:

Brrittany wrote:
Okay, Stan is really freaking me out now. I gave him all names.
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Unfortunately we do not currently have the resources to investigate all possible Rhinojock screen names, as there is essentially no limit
to the number of them. However, currently there is only one person on which we are focusing our attentions. (It is not any of the dozens of people who you
or others have notified us of.) Should you continue to receive contact of this kind do not hesitate to call the local authorities. Whether the
Bristel Goodman phenomenon is a real event, a hoax, or an ARG, you should take all precautions to protect your individual safety.


Well, that looks like sufficient confirmation that this was indeed an attempted gamejack. I'd follow Stan's advice and be careful with your personal information. Looking back in this thread, this message:

Brrittany wrote:
I emailed Stan about Rhino again.

Stan wrote:
We are certain that these 2 screen names are not involved with the Bristel Goodman phenomenon. We continue to urge
caution in contacting or receiving contact from anyone claiming to be associated with this possible hoax.


should have been sufficient proof to rule out Rhinojock's involvement with this game. Take heed when the PMs try to warn you!
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darkling
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 		Thank you for that.

It has worked itself out, I think. If they call again or bother me, I'm simply hitting those numbers *57. I hope that the thought that they could get in some serious trouble should be enough to dissuade them from contacting either me or Brrittany. Thank GOD that mess is cleaned up. You all should get back to the real game. As for me, I've had enough BG to last a lifetime.

Goodbye everyone! Thanks for all of your concern and the time you took writing. Thanks to you too Brrittany for being patient with me!

Hudeywho

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cissmiace
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 		Thank you for your comments Giskard, its somewhat reasuring when one of you guys comes and stops by.

Giskard wrote:

That's not exactly a good idea; posting someone's contact information on a forum is not the right way to handle this, whatever bad stuff they may have done. Let it be clear that any private information posted on these boards will be removed by a moderator.


The reason I said that, is because it is not a private number. Is is not personal information. It is a number that has been used frequently (in game), that has been calling Brittany constantly, and is also highly possibley that the number itself is a fake one used from various online sources.

I am the first to tell people not to post personal information, only a moron would do that, it is totally out of bounds. I read the TOS. And in all honesty I feel somewhat offended someone would think I would do such a thing.

The PM has even foolishly used his real name on one particular site ingame, where all his personal contact details and contact information can be found simply through google, I have purposley not posted this, as it is wrong, and didnt wish for him to be contacted by people.
I was even considering telling him that it may be a good idea to hide his real name.

Allow me to clarify, My reason for stating the Admins should be contacted is simply because one of our players has pretty regular contact with spacebass, who has advised greatley on various issues we have encountered during the game, and has given some great advice on various courses of action to take when problems come up. Smile

Being admins, I did not expect yourselfs to take this problem down single handedly, (your jobs are simply to deal with on forums issues) but instead offer advice on this matter, as personally, I have never in all my time with ARG's come accross anything like this before.

Most importantly, we all know that there is never any communication from the PM. Ever. Anyone playing this 'game' knows this.
As hudey said, one gamejack fed us a string of rubbish for months and the PM never stepped in. Not once. Not even Stan at net threats.
The wiki was also jacked, and once again, the PM never said a word.

Unfortunatly, I believe this 'game' to be a promotion of his own art work, a art project in itself, or a viral for a student film. (I may of said this in the meta section, I'm not too sure)
The PM (from what people have told me, and various other information) does not keep a check on these forums to see how it is playing out.
I also get the feeling with this perhaps is for the creators own kicks rather than anything 'game' wise.
I should probably be best adding this to the Meta thread, but in seriousness, Ive lost all interest.

It is also starting to worry me, just where the game stops and the real person behind this takes over. It has been something that has been bothering me alot recently, but I didnt wish to say anything Sad

I feel too upset to continure playing this, whatever it is. Crying or Very sad

Would anyone like a cup of tea? <3
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Brrittany
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 		Ciss,

I would like a cup of tea. But I need something really strong added to it. I feel bad now. I've had a major shocking bad day.

I'm sorry. I really thought he was IG. Don't quit. If I can go on then anyone should be able to keep going.

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Jimbooze
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 		I just made coffee, needed that Smile

RJ27 had fooled many of us.

Why hasnt the PM spoken up sooner?! This has been going on since almost the beginning. I took the silence from Stan/PM as a verification of rj27, stan had countless chances of speaking up?!


I hope something happens soon, else i see no purpose for me to continue with this game. I would hate that, i like the work.

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Giskard
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cissmiace wrote:
I am the first to tell people not to post personal information, only a moron would do that, it is totally out of bounds. I read the TOS. And in all honesty I feel somewhat offended someone would think I would do such a thing.


It was in no way my intention to offend you. I must admit I haven't followed BG all that well and for the most part have no idea what the backstory is here...

cissmiace wrote:
Being admins, I did not expect yourselfs to take this problem down single handedly, (your jobs are simply to deal with on forums issues) but instead offer advice on this matter, as personally, I have never in all my time with ARG's come accross anything like this before.


Well, that's certainly what we're here for, although most of the time, we too are mostly counting on common sense Wink

cissmiace wrote:
Most importantly, we all know that there is never any communication from the PM. Ever. Anyone playing this 'game' knows this.


Again, I'm a little in the dark on what happened with BG in the past. When I mentioned a reaction from the PM(s), I didn't necessarily mean a direct reaction on the META/out-of-game level... I think that "Stan" quite clearly pointed out that the Rhinojock person should be considered out of game in both his reactions to Brrittany... some PMs (and players) fervently prefer that kind of communication over stepping out from behind the curtain to fix stuff.

However, in light of the rest of your post, I do see how this has caused so much confusion (and even bitterness)... it worries me to see that so much has happened in (or, maybe more accurately, around) this game Neutral
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cissmiace
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Giskard wrote:
However, in light of the rest of your post, I do see how this has caused so much confusion (and even bitterness)... it worries me to see that so much has happened in (or, maybe more accurately, around) this game Neutral


You wouldnt even believe how much has happened Laughing To be fair though, this is the first time Stan has responded like that to a jack.
Net threats (which is a fake Internet threats/warning site') is a ingenius way of letting us know 'behind the curtain' stuff without actually popping from behind it. Unfortunatly it was dead for a long long time, when we needed it most.

I think we are all just as much in the dark as you are rofl

I agree with you Jim, again its terribley confusing, you have the pm not confronting the jacks (of which there are now multiple Rhinos) but then also with the release of the last video, and the word 'RHINO' in it, just confused us even more.

What also bemuses me is this, Obviously we obtained rhinojocks screan name from one of the first videos, I find it almost outrageous that the PM haddnt secured that screan name he was using in the videos! Does this mean we must ignore all other 'IM' communications? How many more screan names has he used but not secured? How will we ever know where a real contact is made?!

I have dougnuts too if anyone wants one xD
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 		deja vu all over again
Wasn't it established some time ago that Rinojock was RhinoJACK? There's even a signed confession. (alright, it isn't signed but it sounded better than just "There's even a confession.") And I agree, losing the wit and whimsey of Cissmiace would be tragic. After all, we're on orange alert.

KEEP THE FAITH LOSE THE JACK

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Jimbooze
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 		Re: deja vu all over again
NoSubject wrote:
Wasn't it established some time ago that Rinojock was RhinoJACK? There's even a signed confession. (alright, it isn't signed but it sounded better than just "There's even a confession.") And I agree, losing the wit and whimsey of Cissmiace would be tragic. After all, we're on orange alert.

KEEP THE FAITH LOSE THE JACK


thats was the problem. It wasnt signed. Now that Stan finally spoke up and cleared that no of the screennames was the right one, we can go on, why should it take so long?

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 		Rhino
Still one out there.
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Unfortunately we do not currently have the resources to investigate all possible Rhinojock screen names, as there is essentially no limit
to the number of them. However, currently there is only one person on which we are focusing our attentions. (It is not any of the dozens of people who you
or others have notified us of.) Should you continue to receive contact of this kind do not hesitate to call the local authorities. Whether the
Bristel Goodman phenomenon is a real event, a hoax, or an ARG, you should take all precautions to protect your individual safety.


SY




I think this tells us that there is still one Rhinojock that they are "focused" on. It's just not any of the ones we've (meaning Brrittany) asked them about.

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 		Re: Rhino
Still one out there.
Ofia wrote:
Quote:
Unfortunately we do not currently have the resources to investigate all possible Rhinojock screen names, as there is essentially no limit
to the number of them. However, currently there is only one person on which we are focusing our attentions. (It is not any of the dozens of people who you
or others have notified us of.) Should you continue to receive contact of this kind do not hesitate to call the local authorities. Whether the
Bristel Goodman phenomenon is a real event, a hoax, or an ARG, you should take all precautions to protect your individual safety.


SY




I think this tells us that there is still one Rhinojock that they are "focused" on. It's just not any of the ones we've (meaning Brrittany) asked them about.


Or it could be N/Mr. Jones.

His messages to me have been getting a little stalkerish lately, i.e. knowing details about me I haven't mentioned, naming restaurants that are in the shopping center across the street where I work. In light of other things going on recently in this game, be careful how much info. you give him.

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 		As usual i come back only when there is conflict arising (is that how you spell that). CISS dont leave, enough said.

I was going to post something witty here, but its been a long day, and FFVII is calling, keep the faith, BG will work out eventually, i hope.



Or at least tell us who played nora white

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