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phyzix
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I think it should be taken into account the fact that the pattern the smaller stars make are the same the larger stars make. Maybe there is a constellation that has a small version and a large version of the same star arrangement. Like for example the big dipper and the small dipper.

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rose
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Thanks for doing this.

I don't see any constellations in the stars. Nor do my astronomy expert friends. That was on a quick glance as we go out to dinner though, so not conclusive.

I think the star's positions on the bars might be meaningful.

As for useless posts, I would rather people feel welcome and free to post here, without being afraid of being judged as to what they have to say is worthwhile or not. Particularly here in news and rumors which is supposed to be a sort of "compost pile" of information processing. But, really, anyplace on the forum. It isn't a crime to double post information or to forget to search. I don't encourage that, of course, but we don't have to worry about keeping a lid on posts.

We really do know how to manage information. We've done it quite successfully for a long time. I don't think this game will be the same thing as the 1-18-08 phenomena which has been all buzz and little forthcoming information.

I think maybe the players of that phenomena have been spooked by the experience. I can understand that feeling too.
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phyzix
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is there a program that can match the stars we have to an actual map of the sky?

Maybe we can find what constellation (if any) this might be?


EDIT: I found this map of constellations.



Edit: reduced size of starmap so as not to 'break' monitors Smile Large can still be found here- RedHatty

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AngriBuddhist
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smooth,

Not that I think it has any possibility of being right but it's was my first impression.

This isn't the pic that I am thinking of but it's the best example I could find.
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phyzix
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AngriBuddhist wrote:
smooth,

Not that I think it has any possibility of being right but it's was my first impression.

This isn't the pic that I am thinking of but it's the best example I could find.


I don't see any connection between this bee and the stars...

What is it supposed to be?

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stacey
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Leo looks the closest for a constellation. But I still feel like I'm looking for something that isn't there. Here's the best image reference I could find:


Without calling a barcode company, I can tell you that the stars must be an intentional modification, not an OOG detail. They hinder the practical purpose of the code (quick number scanning). A professional product designer trying to do a riff on barcodes would have made the stars bigger.

As far as the place names, I suppose Lame Deer was also a Native American holy man who was well know in his time. Lame Deer the city is majority Cherokee. John "Fire" Lame Deer discusses the self-sacrificial sun dance in this book about him, but not any sun god per se.

So maybe the sun god reference refers to the Mayan numbering? It was believed that eclipses were caused by the eternal quarrelling between the sun god and his wife the moon god. The Mayan calendar predicts eclipses with astounding accuracy - augurs looked forward to them, but the rest of the population feared them supersticiously. There's a partial solar eclipse on Sept 11th and a full one next Aug 1st, neither visible in the U.S.

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Shiningfist
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Well, has anybody tried overlapping the stars of the photoshopped barcodes? Perhaps THEN we can find a constellation!

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degravedi
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Okay, I had posted a little quickly earlier and didn't get the chance to double check or eleborate on what I was trying to show.

First off, I was wrong about the two smaller stars missing. I mistook glitches in the scan of the barcode I was looking at as small stars. However, comparing each of the barcodes to the other showed that they were just that, glitches.

Now, here are a few more illustrations.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w174/degravedi/starlabels3.jpg
1) The Mayan label with all of the stars marked.
2) I took the marked stars from the Mayan label and overlayed them onto the numbered label.
3) I scaled the marked stars down until they fit over the small stars.

By this point, you should have noticed THAT THERE ARE NO STARS UNACCOUNTED FOR. People keep coming back to the thought that there are stars missing from the pattern, but I can only think that this is a mistake.

4) Shows the difference between large black stars (blue) and large white stars (red).
5) The black stars by themselves
6) The white stars by themselves

Maybe there's some difference between them? Maybe two constellations/patterns put together?

Edit: Oh, and personally...I see a bunny/antelope and PacMan. Waka waka!!
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w174/degravedi/funny.jpg

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AngriBuddhist
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I'm no good with Photoshop but check this out. The bee pic I posted is my impression of ALL of the stars from pic #3 not just the brightest.

Mayan Bee- Goto 4.2

Tulum- pronouced (Tuluum)

Sure, it looks totally ridiculous but here's what caught my eye-
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illspirit
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I overlaid orion over the stars, just to see if they did line up. His belt IS a very good match, but I can't see any other obvious similarities. Didn't someone say that the Mayans worshipped Orion's belt?
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Shiningfist
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illspirit wrote:
I overlaid orion over the stars, just to see if they did line up. His belt IS a very good match, but I can't see any other obvious similarities. Didn't someone say that the Mayans worshipped Orion's belt?


Now THIS is what i'm talkin about! We've finally found something that may lead us somewhere! I woulda done it, but i'm using a availible computer at a hotel right now...so no photoshop for me. Anyways, very good job. I believe they worshipped, either thew belt itself, or they had myth that a god named Orion resided there, not sure which though.

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MerRabbit
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That's some fine work ladies and gentleman! All those pretty stars.

And Rose yeah I'm a bit gunshy from the 1-1-08 thing. I have confidence in your capabilities. I didn't mean to offend and if I did I'm sorry.
I had been looking to get into an ARG from the ground floor and found this so I felt a little protective of my experience. I'm here to help out so you know peace and all that. I won't mention it again. Very Happy

Still no word from the barcode people.
Did a whois search for all sites ending with tooman and not much luck.
2man as well and not much luck yet either.

The only reason I said that I didn't know if the stars weren't meant to be there is I have a nagging suspicion that i ran across a few when I was a receiving clerk. But memory is not always correct.

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phyzix
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I found this that refers to Mayans and Orion's belt.

Quote:
An altar at Piedras Negras has dates on it that relate to the beginning of the current Maya era in 3114 B.C. and stellar alignments of pyramids at Piedras Negras point to the rise of Orion's Belt in 3114 B.C. as well as the setting of Orion's Belt in 2012 A.D., the end date of the current Maya era.


This is the site, http://www.edgarcayce.org/am/11,000b.c.yucata.html There might be more useful information on it.

EDIT: I also found this on another site.

Quote:
The Maya saw this pattern of creation all around them. In the night sky,
the three brightest stars in the constellation of Orion's Belt were thought
of as the cosmic hearth at the center of the universe. On a clear night
in the crisp mountain air of the Maya highlands, one can even see what
looks like a wisp of smoke within these stars, although it is really only a
far-distant string of stars within the M-4 Nebula.


This is the site. http://www.lonelyplanet.com/shop_pickandmix/previews/guatemala-belize-yucatan-ancient-mayan-culture-preview.pdf

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Thee Incubus
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I found another site,
stargazing.suite101.com that talks about how Mayan civilization saw Orion's belt as a big turtle from which the universe emerged.

I can't copy the link...but maybe someone who can could put the exact link up?

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Shiningfist
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Thee Incubus wrote:
I found another site,
stargazing.suite101.com that talks about how Mayan civilization saw Orion's belt as a big turtle from which the universe emerged.

I can't copy the link...but maybe someone who can could put the exact link up?


Hmmmmm, welll in the letter it stated

"We thought it might be time to start again"

Perhaps this ARG has to do somewhat with the rebirth of the universe? It also links up with the bible, which says that, when the world ends it will be remade with perfect humans. We might be getting somewhere, or this is just a bunch of crap that is leading us no-where.

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