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[Trailer] Jason = Genesis?
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Fusebox wrote:

I didn't call him a nut. I simply used information from the creator himself, to let the original poster see how his idea contradicted what is to be taken as fact. I ain't callin' nobody no names. :\






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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:53 pm
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Re: Genesis...
5 Months to the film...anything can be in game, don't be so quick to judge.

Annunaki wrote:
I have to agree, why don't some of you who just WAIT for someone to post a theory, that just happens to not be exactly what your theory is, start posting some ideas? And can we please stop saying, "well, JJ said..." of COURSE JJ SAID.....it's his job to create mystery and to throw us off, if the man came on stage and said..."Yes, it's a Cthulu Vs. Robot Godzilla with Jesus at the controls"...it wouldn't be much of a mystery or game now would it???
Are any of you stupid enough to think that he would come out and tell us where to start looking? Honestly, this is my first attempt at an "ARG", but some of these posts from people who say, "Oh, no...it's not religious, it's not this or that....JJ SAID SO" blow my mind!! I must not be the only first timer.
Did any of you ever stop to think that "Genesis" may be a device, or some type of control unit that Rob & Co. are privy to?
I can CLEARLY hear someone ask about Jason,yes... and at almost the EXACT same time a male voice say "Has anybody seen Genesis?"
It may only be a nod to the first book of the Bible, and have no other religious meaning whatsoever, (NASA does it ALL the time...) a modern take on the Apocalyptic style film we will all be seeing on 1-18-08. Whatever the case, I have read some posts of people ripping other peoples ideas to shreds, that I have researched IN DEPTH and found out to be valid and in game. Some are FAR FETCHED as heck, so Im not stupid enough to post them here or anywhere just yet. We have 5 months to go, and people are already getting itchy for clues. There are PLENTY of sites that are IG, PLENTY. Some have been brought up, and quickly denounced by the almighty JJ Said-ers, I don't listen to them, I research the sites, and the clues are there, not in STEGGED pics, or Code, most people don't know how, or have the kind of time that takes do do all that crap...JJ does know that. Not saying that there aren't any of those, but when you have to resort to hacking and pulling code, it leaves the realm of being a game. It's like throwing dynamite in a fish pond...that ain't fishing.
With an open mind that anything can be in game, I have found 8-10 websites that are connected. Some subtly, some not so, and it will all come out. But don't wait on JJ to tell you about them...cause he ain't gonna.


See, this is exactly what I'm talking about right here.

You've created a personal investment in a work of fiction you've created out of whole cloth. No, none of us were smart enough to consider that "Genesis" is a "control device." Because, you see, you made it up in your head.

Then a tirade about all the supposedly IG sites you've proven and found through your diligent "research" which is apparently unreproducible and unprovable to anyone else. You've let a bunch of fan sites lead you about by the nose, then get mad at us for demanding evidence.

Gotta be rough.

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I think the monster is responsible for the Kennedy assassination and was involved in faking the Apollo moon landings. Let me spend three days making a YouTube video to prove it and see! You'll be amazed!

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Re: [Trailer] Jason = Genesis?

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If you listen during the trailer when its supposed to be "Where's jason" it kinda sounds like "Genesis" instead. Which Genesis 1:20-23 refers to Leviathan. Sounds like the Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz theory is becoming more prevailant.


I will agree only that in the teaser trailer, it does sound like there are two different names: Jason and Jenson or something like that. This could be due to any number of causes. I don't hear "genesis", however.

This Leviathan-Behemoth-Ziz theory keeps cropping up, so it's time to put it to rest because it isn't even founded within a Judeo-Christian perspective. I think this must come from some RPGs or something like that. None of these primordial animals appears in Genesis. Genesis 1:20 only mentions the creation of the animals of land, sea and air generally.

Leviathan appears in OT Psalms 74:13-14, 104:25,26; Job 40: 24-32, 41:1-24, and Isaiah 27:1. Many talmudic commentaries and others have suggested that Leviathan is hinted at in Genesis, but in the actual references, Leviathan is apparently a gloss for "large sea animal", such as in Job where he speaks of "a" leviathan--implying that there are many. However, it is true that both Jewish and Christian commentators have suggested that Leviathan was a single giant sea creature created on the fifth day that was either killed to feed the other sea animals or yet lives.

n the Haggadah cycles, there is a belief that Leviathan and Behemoth would fight eachother at the end of the world and that man shall then feast on them. Neither beast attacks mankind in any of the legends, though there are many accounts of seafarers who claim to have encounted Leviathan. Behemoth of the Bible only appears in Job 40:15-24.

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There is another Jewish hymn recited on the festival of Shavuot (celebrating the giving of the Torah), known as Akdamut, wherein it says: "...The sport with the Leviathan and the ox (Behemoth)...When they will interlock with one another and engage in combat, with his horns the Behemoth will gore with strength, the fish [Leviathan] will leap to meet him with his fins, with power. Their Creator will approach them with his mighty sword [and slay them both]." Thus, "from the beautiful skin of the Leviathan, God will construct canopies to shelter the righteous, who will eat the meat of the Behemoth [ox] and the Leviathan amid great joy and merriment, at a huge banquet that will be given for them." Some rabbinical commentators say these accounts are allegorical (Artscroll siddur, p. 719), or symbolic of the end of conflict.


(quote from the wikipedia article on Behemoth)

Ziz is not mentioned at all in the Bible, but appears instead in jewish mythology; typically, Ziz is a beneficial creature who exists to protect the birds. It is also sometimes thought to be a representation of an eclipse as Ziz is large enough to block out the sun. Again, no apocalyptic references in Judeo-Christian tradition (and Ziz never appears in Christian legends at all, as far as I know).

Leviathan, Behemoth, and Ziz are not particularly significant creatures re: end of the world. None of them are particularly hostile to humans. If Bad Robot were to use them in this manner, they would not only be introducing religion into the film (thus alienating a large part of their core audience), but doing it badly (thus alienating those who would be otherwise interested in a religious twist).

In short, the theory may or may not be complete hogwash, but it's extremely implausible.

Just to throw a monkey wrench into things, in the Bundahishn 19.13, which is part of the Zend or Zand (commentary) on the Avesta (ancient Zoroastrian texts, with which I am somewhat familiar):

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Of the ox Hadhayosh, which they call Sarsaok, it says, that in the original creation men passed from region to region upon it, and in the renovation of the universe they prepare Hush (the beverage producing immortality) from it. 14. It is said, that life is in the hand of that foremost man, at the end of his years, who has constructed the most defenses around this earth, until the renovation of the universe is requisite.


You might also find the rest of the Bundahishn interesting for more unrelated mythologies that JJA didn't rely upon for the film....or did he?

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jjmfdl wrote:
I also found this:



Pastafarians SALLY FORTH!


lmfao.

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Re: [Trailer] Jason = Genesis?

jjmfdl wrote:
Also, like a Elementary School science fair experiment, Not well researched or executed.... JJ


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Why the hell would somebody ask "where's Genesis...anybody seen Genesis" in the middle of running out to the panic ridden streets after hearing a loud, thundrous roar and being nearly incinerated by flaming projectiles?

There's nothing in Genesis about all that.

Phil Collins had no such PA system or light show....


Now just a simple little function of logic and common sense relativity:

Hmm....in trailer, that same chick was there by slusho shirt guy. In fact, she's with him several times throughout the trailer. He's a male, so chances are he's gonna have a boy name that isn't Rob. Then shit hits the fan, they head for the door. She hits the door, followed by slusho shirt guy and then followed by Rob and camera guy....yet when they get out the door, it's the chick there with Rob and she's hollering "where's.....whatever Jas sounding name that's a little hard to make out but NOT THAT HARD.

Now fast forward here and we end up with myspace sites. Lo and behold there's our slusho shirt wearing boy who's miraculously named JASON, but who goes by JJ and Hawk. Oh hey...he's digging on this chick named Lil and oh hey....same chick.

So it should NOT still be a friggin question here that THAT CHICK was hollering out "where's Genesis, anybody seen Genesis" when it's very likely she was LOOKING FOR HER BOYFRIEND JASON that she was JUST with on the roof and assumed had followed her downstairs to the street but NOPE. And that guy asking because he was LOOKING FOR HIS BROTHER JASON that he was JUST with on the roof and assumed had gone downstairs out the door too....since gf was there. Both of them were asking, not just a male.

THAT is using common sense and logic.

Even before the myspace pages and official confirmation of the guy's name, it's pretty audible it's a name of somebody...Jason or Jamison.

Now we know.

To keep discussing this means you're really bored and do not even wish to bother heading to the other areas where we're all shooting for some headway, or that you're just in denial this won't be a religious nut movie like you need it to be for who knows why....


I vote for a Locky!

Now ya know why I tended to get a little crabby/bitchy about this topic the other 800 times it's been shoved on us without a shred of rationale.

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I must admit that I too thought the male voice was saying Genesis. I never thought it was saying Jason until the community said that is what he was saying and for good reason. Robs brothers name is Jason. But that is after the fact.

In retrospect though I think it is Genesis being said both times. Its not Rob saying it because in the trailer at that point his mouth is not moving and he is looking back and running.

I also admit that at times, especially when we really want to believe something, we hear or see what we want to. I think that is what is happening with the confusion of what is being said. Kind of like the lion v. alive thing, but well harder to dissect. That being only because Jason is a character in the movie and can validate that more than likely that is what is being said v. Genesis.

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Then you're just in denial. The "community" isn't in charge of what they say on the trailer. The "community" was unsure which sort of NAME it was, like Jason, Jamison, James or something....but even before myspace pages were found, it'd been pretty settled it was someone's name and a rather obvious point given the EVENTS depicted in the trailer. Myspace just confirmed the name of Jason at all, among others. At best, it could've been Jamie but then that doesn't account for the clear "s" noise ....unless you just want to insist they were flaming with a hella lisp. MS pages confirmed a name. A simple WATCHING of the trailer will show you plain as day both those people were together often, and the ms pages show clearly WHY THAT IS. So if you're with your bf/gf and shit happens and you turn around and they aren't right there now when they were right there 2 minutes ago, and in YOUR HEAD your first instinct is to holller out

WHERE'S GENESIS

instead of asking where your bf/gf is, the problem aint with the community, the trailer, Abrams, or the computer speakers.

It's with your ability to interpret anything at all in any reasonable manner.

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tinag222 wrote:
Then you're just in denial. The "community" isn't in charge of what they say on the trailer. The "community" was unsure which sort of NAME it was, like Jason, Jamison, James or something....but even before myspace pages were found, it'd been pretty settled it was someone's name and a rather obvious point given the EVENTS depicted in the trailer. Myspace just confirmed the name of Jason at all, among others. At best, it could've been Jamie but then that doesn't account for the clear "s" noise ....unless you just want to insist they were flaming with a hella lisp. MS pages confirmed a name. A simple WATCHING of the trailer will show you plain as day both those people were together often, and the ms pages show clearly WHY THAT IS. So if you're with your bf/gf and shit happens and you turn around and they aren't right there now when they were right there 2 minutes ago, and in YOUR HEAD your first instinct is to holller out

WHERE'S GENESIS

instead of asking where your bf/gf is, the problem aint with the community, the trailer, Abrams, or the computer speakers.

It's with your ability to interpret anything at all in any reasonable manner.


LOL, Wow! What a dick.

Ok now that is out of the way. You need to get out and get laid. Whether mom, dad or whoever fills it for you, you need to go get you some poony. Attacking people on a forum for stating THEIR opinion makes you an Internet SupaStar!

Anyhow, I am not in denial. The truth of the matter is the first time I watched the trailer at the movie theater, I said "Gee, that sure did sound like Genesis to me, I wonder if that is his girlfriends name?" The subsequent 20ish times that I have watched that trailer, it still has sounded like Genesis to me EVEN after I accepted what the ARG community said it was Jason being said.

I could care less what was said really. Either name being said is irrelevant in that we are not going to garner anymore knowledge from it.

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Well then it's really clear the problem lies in your ability to correctly interpret input....

You just got done saying that sometimes you just hear what you wanna hear...that is what you are guilty of here...not US. You just said you heard it this way once and now you only hear it everytime.

I wasn't attacking you. I was pointing out you got a problem working out what you hear and interpreting that correctly.

A secondary example on this right here is working out what you read and interpreting that correctly. You personalized on it and presume I'm a dick and need some pussy. This is all one sweeping erroneous assumption on your part since you ran out of logical discourse.

How do I know?

Cause I'm a chick. Always was.

And me pointing out to you that common sense is all that is needed to work out correctly what was said, based entirely on the content of the trailer, does not mean you're being attacked. Nor does it change reality here into what you wanna hear. Nobody said Genesis...on top of the fact nobody has any REASON, no logical, sane, rationale for saying Genesis...anymore than anybody hollered out "where's Paris Hilton!" For precisely the same reasons.


That's your own self esteem problem you can't seem to interpret a counter argument based on common sense as being just a counter argument based on common sense...and if you can't then the issue is your inability to interpret....not my sex life or my gender. That's you out of ideas...the part where your brain shuts down.


So toughen up some. It should tell ya something when you get this personally insulted by a chick you actually think you've been insulted by a dude in need of getting laid. Which is amusing to me. As is the reality that I'm not here to pad your fragile ego anyway. It wasn't about you. It was about the printed text in the little box that was illogical and in error. That is what I was commenting on, responding to. Not my problem you can't tell the difference and assume this is an attack on you. Don't be such a weenie.

For the record, whether I get laid or not doesn't change reality here one shred. Both of them ask the question. Watch it again and slow it down and watch it. If you can't see/hear it now, you blurred your own lines - that would be your own problem...not us suggesting to you that nobody's saying genesis no matter what your brain interprets.

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"Where's Genesis? Has anybody seen Genesis?"

Seriously, does that make ANY SENSE AT ALL?!?!?!
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Jason & Genesis...revisited...My Apologies!
Long Post...Next Rest Area 108 MI.

I was wrong...(I think!!)
NOW...with that said, apologies are in order. I started second guessing myself after all of the 'Spring Heeled Jacks' jumped in for the kill, and I re-watched for the 800th time with volume cranked..... therefore, I must retract my initial response and my certainty of what is being said. The voices are so mingled with other voices, sounds of street chaos and so on, that it for sure (to me and others) sounds like "Genesis" at one point. Jason is mentioned possibly several times at that, perhaps by both male and female.

I called a friend into the room, who had not yet seen the trailer,(he lives under that rock in the next room) and asked him blindly, just to tell me what he heard the people saying. His reply: " I heard someone say I saw it, it's alive, it's huge... where is Jason, or something Jason...then something about Genesis..." so it is quite easily misinterpreted, even to those who have no idea what is happening.
I apologize for jumping in earlier, and being so sure of myself, knowing that there are (actually you can probably count on two hands) a very FEW things that any of us can say for sure at this point. I, for one, am having a blast trying to unlock the clues and watching this all unfold. I thought, however, that "Genesis" could be a perfectly plausible item, device...code, a cast member we haven't me yet... in what appears to be at this point an Apocalyptic style...end of times, or end of life as we know it scenario.
I never once thought or suggested that they were looking for a Bible to read out loud to the oncoming throngs of people...I am sure I hope, at least) that you realize there will be some symbolism, and nods to various things throughout the movie, and they should not be taken literally.

OK now... here is my biggest pet peeve, and if most of you would be honest, it's probably high on a lot of pet peeve lists: It's not the people who post "Did you know you can turn the photos over?" in the Slusho! thread, or "It's definitely a Lion" 16 times on every thread...those I just laugh and pass over....Nope, it's none of that. It's the people who get so upset about posts like that and then use the next two pages making one liner pre-school comments about that ONE post..., and get FIGHTING mad about posts made by other fans(sometimes young kids) who are just trying to help with a new possibility that they obviously believe and think will help us all out.

We're all on the same team here, and to be honest, I like to hear ALL the possibilities and the theories from all types of people, even the Cthulu ones... (up until the 367,987th post, and then I wanted to slide nude down a razor blade into a pool of alcohol).
What we may now think as "lame" or "OOG" could in fact, open lots of doors. no matter how off the wall it may sound this early on in the game.
It sucks that some people get pummeled when they simply make an innocent observation or share a thought. Lest you forget, all you *SLUSHO SUPERIORS*, any of us have the ability to look back at the beginning posts and see where MANY of you INSISTED:"Slusho! is OOG....alright people?why don't you get it...? ...It's not part of the game....it's fake...",etc. I even read one that said, "Come on, people, it's a Japanese website for a drink, like our Slush Puppy, it's OOG..."

So, like I said, all things are possible. I have a few theories swimming about in my head, they may be wrong, sure... but I have a feeling that we are all gonna be saying "What the heck?....but I thought...." on 1-18-08. What we see, is not what we should expect, or are gonna get...this is Abrams we're talking about. He's a marketing genius, and could flip our world of "WHAT WE KNOW FOR SURE" on it's head at any second. Why would we take such faith in his statements? The Ethan Haas is NOT involved part, I can see because it wasn't part of his money machine and he didn't want people spending their energy on Mr. Haas, when they could be surfing for giant mouths, filled with happy teddy bears, and diving horse/donkey/asses with oven mitts on the brain.

In short, (too late for that!) don't lurk around waiting for someone to state a theory and jump like rabid dogs with ANGRY comments...how does that possibly help further the discussion.These threads would be 1/10th the number of pages for us to have to drudge through, if we could somehow cut out some of the one line or one word replies, for example: "Duh"..."Get a life"...."what a dumb-ass", etc. always with the FULL quotes of the previous 15 posts, just to say: "Duh". Who are the real idiots here?? DUH!
Forget locking threads due to the content being discussed before, or for "No, JJ said that's OOG, and what reason would JJ have to throw us off track? So I'm locking..." I say we boot the people who add nothing to the progression or useful content to the site, who continually post pre-pubescent jabs at anyone who dares attempt a theory.By eliminating these it will cut the number of pages dramatically. Then, we all will be happier! Otherwise, a simple, I don't agree and here is why...would be great. We're all going to be fooled come January anyway. We have an amazing group of people on this forum, it blows my mind how smart most of you girls & guys are (myself excluded).

Keep the theories pouring in, and all you lurkers who are just reading because you are afraid to make an observation, jump in, and share...you may have the key we're all looking for, the next big break. If not, worst case....you have a few teeth missing, a black eye, and deep claw marks that, with a few stitches, will heal before you know it, from the SLUSHO! SUPERIOR Post Guards just hoping you'll say GENESIS or LION or VOLTRON!!!

*Disclaimer: Sorry for the rant, pardon the numerous spelling
grammatical, and punctuation errors...it is 5:30 a.m.after all...!


May you all dream of rolling in vast fields of Clover, with your two new friends, Jason and Genesis.... Wink

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I called him a nut, and i wasn't trying to be mean, but come on guys. These theories are getting rediculous. You people throw something out there that is retarded at best and then you make a 3 page thread about it. How old are we? All of us above 13 i hope. -.-''

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