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rose
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hehe.

And then, of course, we are actually providing a service to the advertisers by providing, free of charge, direct links for the people who might otherwise get too frustrated with the puzzle and drop out. Wink
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If anyone has feelings about this that they'd like to express that they feel cannot be done justice without an aural component, I'd like to remind you that the ARG Netcast voicemail, 630-274-5425, is here for you. Twisted Evil
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They may think that this is a Totally New Concept(tm), but Riddler.com was doing scavenger hunts as early as 1996 (and possibly a year or two before that).
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haha wow, I wonder if they've drafted up another letter since despoiler went live...

I suppose, to be a voice of reason here, a respectable, professional response would be to offer suggestions as to how they can improve their game concept so that the spreading of this free information won't undermine their goals and advertisers' "investments", rather than responding with laughter and criticism...
of course we're free to laugh and criticize in here Very Happy

I mean it's for their own good right?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:26 am
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rose
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The ARG netcast has a complaint line that will deal with threats of litigation to unfiction? Are these complaints going to be sent to the Golden Compass people? Are you going to send copies to the advertisers? I don't see how the ARGN netcast helps resolve this unfiction issue any better than, say, a Perplexorum netcast. I'm sure that SpaceBass can take care of threats to his own site.

If I were to try to give them advice I would say:

1. Don't advertise a prize for a million dollars when you don't have it.

2. Don't try to shut down conversation on a game that you expect to be discussed online. Your whole premise revolves around viral - buzz marketing. Shutting down conversation shuts off the buzz.

3. Don't threaten your players. Don't change your rules without notice. Don't hide things in your rules and terms of service.
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IRC1968
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 Hmmmmmmmmmmm

I wonder if the puppets are going on the legal war path or if it is going to be Clare leaving the thorns on the roses to get her own back on such spoilers, or maybe worst still we won't be allowed any chocolate buttons anymore.

Going by who has hosted pieces so far I wouldn't say there is a single international conglomerate that would even consider such action, they all bought pieces to bring people to their site and they wouldn't much care how or where it comes from and they would have all entered in to this game as a speculative one off advertising cost.

Hell some sites that will be hosting pieces in the future are already being found through google and the like well before their piece is online and as for one they have even said what day it's going live so this indicates that they want people to visit and don't much care how they find their sites as long as they do.

There is absolutely no copyrights being broken by posting links and any copyright law could ONLY be used if a site was to actually host the pieces themselves and let people download them from their site and to my knowledge no one is offering that.

I wonder if the sites that buy the pieces have it covered that if the game is pulled early they get refunded a good percentage of their costs as to my understanding the commitment to advertise runs for the entire duration of the game until completion so if they end it early all those sites are due a hefty rebate given the advertised duration of the game.

I think there is a typo in the line "our advertisers will be likely to pursue you for financial compensation" I think they actually mean US and not YOU.

If they want the support and help from the web community to make the game successful then rather than sending out arrogant letters like this one they should have been honest and upfront and admitted their short-sightedness and their mistakes in bringing this concept alive and asked nicely if this forum could join in the fun and spirit of the game and use clues and hints rather than links, as I stated in an earlier post where some idiot defended them they have a very arrogant attitude and really do think they can control and manipulate the web and it's users.

Not a chance in hell of that happening but good luck to them, no really good luck LOL

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Wildcard winners
announced

Wildcard winners announced - although they did not post the time of the e-mail received, so trust is still an issue, because without the time they could have eliminated people for no reason:

http://www.goldenjigsaw.com/play/pages.php?pageid=47

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rose
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Quote:
I suppose, to be a voice of reason here, a respectable, professional response would be to offer suggestions as to how they can improve their game concept so that the spreading of this free information won't undermine their goals and advertisers' "investments", rather than responding with laughter and criticism...


First, I don't think anyone here intends to cost anyone money, ruin their lives or bring them to despair. The game design is the fundamental problem. Not our response to it.

As I said above, we are providing a service to their players: those players who can't find the piece, came into the game late, have to be away and need to catch up quickly, etc. We help those players play the game.

Despoiler also has, as far as I can tell, one of the few public lists of all their advertisers. What if someone wanted to return to a site they had found through the game and didn't remember it? They could go to the despoiler list and find it. Without that list, other than retracing all the pieces, I don't know how a player can find their way back to the advertiser's site.

They might look at the players as their true clients. If the game isn't designed to attract and retain players, it won't work for their advertisers.

Our helping the players play the game doesn't cost them or their advertiser's money.

Second, I don't know how or why they came up with the pricing model that doubled each level. I haven't seen any research that would justify that model. They should have made the prize smaller and charged less for the pieces.

Third, 1,000 pieces are simply too many to have to sell and to have to find. Even if they did 10 pieces a day, that would take 100 days. At one piece a day it would take 2 and 3/4 years to play. I think 500 might be doable. Then there is the question of how long a site will leave the piece up. If there is too long a gap in time, will the early pieces still be up when the later ones are released? Won't that work to keep players from joining?

Fourth, the fun part of a jigsaw puzzle is putting the pieces in place yourself. I think a design which emailed the players the pieces, say 10 at a time, and then required the player to put the pieces in a board might work better. When the piece is placed properly - the players could be taken to website or even given a url and a link to visit, possibly with some coupon or something. I think the design is backwards. Perhaps my suggestion would be too hard to code.

Fifth, I'm not sure how much you need a prize if the game is enjoyable to play. Perhaps smaller weekly prizes and then a drawing for a grand prize?

I would like to see how other sites design their online scavenger hunts.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:50 am
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You're right, the pieces should cost more in the beginning (because they are out there on the internet for a longer period of time) than the later pieces.

Or, just make them all cost the same.

And having sites that link directly to the host site can only help increase traffic to the client, a win-win scenario. Helps new players navigate around, increasing client exposure.

They goofed and are trying to look good if any potential clients question their methods?
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rose wrote:
The ARG netcast has a complaint line that will deal with threats of litigation to unfiction? Are these complaints going to be sent to the Golden Compass people? Are you going to send copies to the advertisers? I don't see how the ARGN netcast helps resolve this unfiction issue any better than, say, a Perplexorum netcast. I'm sure that SpaceBass can take care of threats to his own site.


*sigh* I believe I said "feelings." Or, for that matter, opinions. I don't believe I said anywhere that we're a "complaint line" that's going to provide recourse. Rolling Eyes

It's a topic we've already discussed on the netcast, but as the situation develops, it's likely to come up again, and as with any hot topic, we would love to hear from people and be able to provide airtime for opinions beyond the regular panelists.
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Palm
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Clue 20

Break it down in 3 parts to unscramble the initials:

XX XX XX.XXX

XX=country initials
XX=new technology advertised by comcast
XX=what I am going to watch Big Brother on tonight.

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rose
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As for the netcast, I was happy to email several Perplexorum friends of mine might want to join in - they can add a great dimension to the subject. Lhall is available I think. She is in the US. I'm not sure if the offer was extended to them but I'm sure they will take part if it works out.

Don't know why the rolling eyes are necessary. I'm not stupid. I'm not thrilled with the way certain things have been handled on the netcast - like the failure to openly discuss issues from this board as if they never happened. So it isn't exactly a transparent medium, which results in trust issues.

Perhaps I misunderstood the intentions. I know that the netcast has been made clearly a separate "opinion" type show that represents the views of the individual speakers- not that of ARGNet generally. I thought the suggestion sounded like an intention of ARGNet taking the responsibility of representing the unfiction players... you know "we're here for you" and all that... which is, to me, beyond the idea of just expressing the opinions of the people on the netcast.

Maybe if you said we're going to talk about this and you might want to share your opinion as well, I would have understood it better. Perhaps I reacted to the idea of a former moderator of this forum offering to be our spokesperson. *sigh* Rolling Eyes Laughing Laughing
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rose wrote:

1. Don't advertise a prize for a million dollars when you don't have it.


PXC offered a £100,000 prize before they'd earned anything, but my guess is that this was covered by the initial VC investment. A million is asking for trouble for the sake of Austin Poweresque melodrama. £1000 is a lot of money for most people, £10,000 impressive - £500,000 (sorry can only think in pounds) just makes your job more difficult.
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konamouse
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My Take on Phaedra's Suggestion to Call ARGNetcast

A radio or podcast likes to have listener input to help drive discussion topics. Rather than a host reading off a topic from a call sheet, it is much more interesting to hear someone new put forth an idea or a question.

This board (unFiction) is not the only place where things are happening - and ARGNetcast is separate from unFiction. The idea of having some folks from Perplexorum is a good one. The Golden Jigsaw game/contest has a lot of players who are not ARGNetcast panelist. Why not get a fresh approach to the situation on the air? The more call-ins, the more interesting the podcast. I think ARGNetcast welcomes all points of view and WANTS different opinions about what is happening in the ARGverse. I'm not playing (just lurking in the threads to see what is happening). It's a fascinating topic.
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 Re: Future Clues..

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I manage to find it and it is in about us. In the cookinstyle website.


[Edit: Fixed broken spoiler tag - vpisteve]

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