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GrOwLeR
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 		I just want to say this to all the people who keep saying "it seems to all fit too nicely with what we already know about the movie to be legit". It would seem that if what we "know" about the plot" is true then a "legit" plot summary would fit nicely wouldn't it? I mean it's like saying "Jennifer Aniston hinted that a character from Friends was going to die this season, oh and here is a leaked script of an upcoming episode that says Ross dies, must be bullshit!"

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GrOwLeR wrote:
I just want to say this to all the people who keep saying "it seems to all fit too nicely with what we already know about the movie to be legit". It would seem that if what we "know" about the plot" is true then a "legit" plot summary would fit nicely wouldn't it? I mean it's like saying "Jennifer Aniston hinted that a character from Friends was going to die this season, oh and here is a leaked script of an upcoming episode that says Ross dies, must be bullshit!"


Are you at all familiar with all the hoaxes and gamejacks that have been perpetrated in the past month and a half? Because what you said here reads like you aren't at all.

Sure, we can't be too quick to judge, but it doesn't mean we have to stop thinking and assume everything smells peachy just because it looks okay.

Besides, what if it's actually supposed to be Chandler that dies, and the Ross script is a fake? Should the Ross believers accept the fake just because it fits Aniston's comment? Or, maybe--I don't know--people should suspend judgement but use their reason and doubt and question before accepting.

That's what the questioners are doing. They're calling bullshit because that's how it smells. Feel free to ignore your own nose, but don't expect everyone else to.

How many attempted gamejacks and hoaxes have been thrown together in the past six weeks? Would not questioning them have been the right thing to do as well?


Also...isn't Hangzhou land-locked? I mean, there's a lake and a river, but I thought it wasn't exactly on the ocean.

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 		I am aware of hoaxes and gamejacks! And as I stated in my post, I don't believe this is legit or bullshit! The point I was trying to make though was that when a legit release of plot or dialog does surface it most likely will coincide with the little amount of solid info (ie. trailer scenes, a monster attack) we have!!! Again.. I'm not saying that this document is legit or not, but it is possible that with this or future leaks, the people involved in all of the this are aware of what information and speculations we do have and will release something to confirm it for us without giving away anything else about the plot!

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The "dialog" is hackneyed and suspiciously convenient expository fan fiction from a source known to be an idiot.


I was going to make another post but I'd just be saying the above again. So! Thar ya go.

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 		This isn't arguing the point or debating it - just clarifying a couple things that were raised, whether it helps or not, who knows...

Unseenpresence: - not directed at you personally, but you raised good points so I'm just going with those.


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AICN claims the film will be about footage found afterwards. Was that gained from any other source? AICN has lost some of its cred recently.


In the thread of doom, provided you choose to accept that horrifying mission, are posts with a couple other links to the same story. I could be mistaken, it's been awhile but I could've sworn I saw the story on Hollywood something site and put a link up for that one. I did put the link - I meant that I don't recall offhand the site itself. It also mentioned having one of their reporters talking to someone on the set who was the one who revealed that clean up crews find the cameras and play the footage and the thing is explained in flashback. The upside is that it's only been within the last month...bad news is the thread of doom is 300+ pages now...but I did post it and a couple others posted about it too.

That's not to say the content of the story is legit, but it did appear on other sources than AICN...in what order, who knows.

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AICN also apparently got an email from JJ Abrams. Although I, for one, cannot guarantee that it's accurate (which is not to say that EH is connected--it is NOT). But there is something about that email that's a little strange in my experience. It could be him, it could not.


I posted on this awhile back too when it came up, but I did, at least, take a minute to email Harry Knowles and asked him if he could or would clarify the email, and if he knew for sure this email came from Abrams or what. He wrote back within the hour and said he's known/interviewed Abrams for about 9 years and the email was from Abrams. I browsed around the site awhile checking it out for indirect credibility and to me, it seemed that he and the others that ran it had good intentions and appeared credible and had a pretty decent base.

This is not proof positive it's legit, but nothing about it sent up red flags as being BS from Knowles. Others asked the same question and I'll suggest again what I suggested before. You're not obliged to take my word for it since you don't know me from a hole in the wall...but you can always email Knowles yourself and ask about it, see how he responds and what info you get...and make your own decision on whether you feel it's legit or still doesn't gel for you. But then, it basically comes down to whether this is a big deal to find out, or to accept on good faith (no real investment, and if it turns out to be BS, it's not that big a deal, it's internet ya know Razz ) that it's legit enough to work with. The one area that should support its credibility is that EH is not related and that's what the email specifically stated...and that it stated there is more out there to be found than just 1-18, and sure enough, we've got slusho and myspace...again, credible, backed up and confirmed information. So in retrospect the content of the Abrams email was credible...regardless of whether Knowles knows him or has ever interviewed him or even if the whole email was fabricated....the content is still legit...so just look at that part if the rest of it doesn't set well.

If the evolution since sharing the email had proven there's nothing else out there, or if EH did play a legit role then that would go against Knowles' credibility. He isn't behind cloverfield, but he posted an email with specific information that evolved as confirmed and true - so that supports his credibility too that he didn't make it up. He wouldn't have known otherwise there's anything out there we've not found yet.

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We have a call sheet that has some strangeness to it. Not the least of which is how it was given.


I agree on that note too...someone posted an image of another callsheet but the cheese logo thing wasn't on it. Not sure if it's the same one or one was doctored or what, but the handoff of a call sheet doesn't matter in an in game sense. That's still "meta" regardless...so doesn't qualify as a game jack. It qualifies as little more than someone claiming to be on the set and providing dialogue for a movie. In the grand scheme of things, let's assume a sec that it's totally legit. All we have is the content and still can't do much with it. It's not a clue to anything "in game" anyway. So we got to read a paragraph or two of the script and then too, that doesn't mean any of this ends up in the finished version. That person could be entirely legit but if she blew some of the secrecy, they could decide to scrap it to the cutting room floor and not even use it.

At best, that person got her ego slapped and wanted to be a bitch and expose what little she had access to. It has no power to change the movie's content or plot, nor does it have any power to influence the "game" going on. It's neat to see behind the scenes, but it really doesn't matter either way...ya know?

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And now we have this dialogue, that I agree sounds patently terrible simply as the dialogue itself.

The trailer is better than this dialogue.


I definitely agree there....

"I don't know, I'm like your main dude" was a truly great line, and perfect in its delivery. My question about the content of the call sheet dialogue would be what the hell would they be fighting each other about anyway? There is an easy path, logical at that, for their reactions in the trailer that in no manner suggests any of them knows anything about any of it...but the question was raised "what does Rob know" which was always an assumption - and not a very good one in terms of observing human nature - but it was raised on here. Now we got a call sheet with Rob coming up with guilty knowledge? That is where my own flags went off because it struck me as a rip off of the discussions happening on here about what Rob knew when there's been zero evidence at all he knew anything...and his reactions can be easily justified as natural wtf?


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So I think everyone should remember that we know very, very little so far. And that this dialogue we are discussing could match some of it...and could very, very well be completely false. IMO, it is.


For sure.

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 		I read through the "script" again and couldn't help but laugh at parts.

They said they found this dude in a boat with claw marks. This thing can decapitate the statue of liberty but decimating a boat is out of the question it seems. Apparently an iceberg is a much more valiant foe to a boat than this beast.
If this thing is so smart than why in the hell is it chillin in England one moment and the next in the Bering Sea? Wow, way to go to places where you are sure to be seen stupid beast. Might as well go to the San Diego port while you're at it. It says that it was having a grand time destroying stuff in the bermuda triangle, why not stay there?!

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 		Ahhh but you're presuming that there's only one....what if they reproduced and there are many of them and global warming triggered their mating season and well...


Then again, maybe our typical human arrogant assumption we're masters of the universe has blinded us to the twist - the monster isn't the parasite.... we are!

Shocked

I love movies where humans get served. We deserve that so much for the stuff we do to the planet, to other creatures, to one another - the only species that ever existed in the entire history of existence to actually pass laws that attempt (and fail miserably) to outlaw our hard wired sexual dictates as the reproductive creatures that we are, which is why we have them to begin with, and that is so assbackwards half the time that seeing a guy take a leak out by a tree is considered "lewd and indecent"...and the only creatures that ever existed who are so assbackwards half the time they mate in dark rooms and then pretend they didn't.

I mean come on....we're the ones putting the rest of Life at risk with each day that passes. So sometimes we need a little reminder that in real life, it's usually we who are the monsters...the parasites...and given how scared shitless we, as a species are, about just facing the unkown, about our bodily fluids, our inherent urges, our "pee pee parts" as Bill Maher aptly put it, it should actually be illegal and punishable by death to refer to ourselves as "Masters of the Universe" - we're scarcely masters of ourselves. The universe can incinerate us in about 0.1 second. We're masters of squat.

And yes I love being human. Just some of them tend to make me really ashamed....or really scared about the future....or just embarrassed that this extraordinary degree of stupidity is rampant in this modern age. I did go on a tangent...but MSNBC is on when I originally went to post and 3 stories back to back that qualified as Stupid People Tricks and well...see above.

We're all gonna die if we don't stop them! Razz

I mean Shocked

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tinag222 wrote:
Ahhh but you're presuming that there's only one....what if they reproduced and there are many of them and global warming triggered their mating season and well...


Then again, maybe our typical human arrogant assumption we're masters of the universe has blinded us to the twist - the monster isn't the parasite.... we are!

Shocked

I love movies where humans get served. We deserve that so much for the stuff we do to the planet, to other creatures, to one another - the only species that ever existed in the entire history of existence to actually pass laws that attempt (and fail miserably) to outlaw our hard wired sexual dictates as the reproductive creatures that we are, which is why we have them to begin with, and that is so assbackwards half the time that seeing a guy take a leak out by a tree is considered "lewd and indecent"...and the only creatures that ever existed who are so assbackwards half the time they mate in dark rooms and then pretend they didn't.

I mean come on....we're the ones putting the rest of Life at risk with each day that passes. So sometimes we need a little reminder that in real life, it's usually we who are the monsters...the parasites...and given how scared shitless we, as a species are, about just facing the unkown, about our bodily fluids, our inherent urges, our "pee pee parts" as Bill Maher aptly put it, it should actually be illegal and punishable by death to refer to ourselves as "Masters of the Universe" - we're scarcely masters of ourselves. The universe can incinerate us in about 0.1 second. We're masters of squat.

And yes I love being human. Just some of them tend to make me really ashamed....or really scared about the future....or just embarrassed that this extraordinary degree of stupidity is rampant in this modern age. I did go on a tangent...but MSNBC is on when I originally went to post and 3 stories back to back that qualified as Stupid People Tricks and well...see above.

We're all gonna die if we don't stop them! Razz

I mean Shocked

That's true. Come to think of it, how many times have we seen what appears to be a fair fight between man and nature, and seen nature come out on top by a large margin? Quite often.
I think that is also what looks so frightful about this movie. In most "invasion" (no pun intended) movies, it is in the director's mind to show the fighting spirit of mankind (usually more americans than all of mankind) to a new threat. This new movie, though, shows that mankind is not going to be able to deal with this new threat, something that will utterly dominate them while they can do nothing but watch. JJ Abrams is tapping into all the fears that we are dealing with currently (global warming, terrorism, etc.) and selling them in a mysterious package. Very very smart man.

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