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Almijisti
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It's interesting that RF believes that the subject's loss of a friend was more significant than the loss of his father. He does answer one critical question, which is that the subject did not witness the murder of his father. RF also now confirms that the uncle was convicted of the murder--presumably this provided enough closure that RF doesn't think that was a factor here (though it's odd to have brought that IG and then just as quickly tell us that it's not important). I've asked RF if he can provide any details about the lost friend--this is likely to be quite important to the mystery.

I've also asked RF to provide more details of the subject's recollection of the dream he had during the experiment. He mentions seeing a movie poster--that would be interesting to know if it were a real film or not. Might or might not be a clue regarding the PM(s).

On the video part of the blog, RF also makes a pretty clear call to his other colleagues, asking them to join the discussion. Hopefully, this will lead to another site. Anyone here listen to Coast to Coast? I believe it's Art Bell's old show which was on late Sunday nights.

EDIT/ C2C is Art Bell's old show, now hosted by George Noory. Sundays are now primarily for reruns, apparently. It's broadcast during the week.

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i've been perusing the blog, and watching the video and whatnot, and the overall theme that r.f. keeps bringing up is that he "wants to get the word out" and everything. from his comments on the idea of submitting the information to the radio show Coast to Coast (which he is right, is full of wingnut theories and whatnot, and immensely interesting/entertaining), to the not so subtle appeal to his former colleagues to stop by and help answer questions and perhaps write a blog post. he states that he is unsure how to go about getting the word out.

is that our job at this point? to simply drive traffic until some threshold is reached?

then, there is this...

"He's currently very busy working on some big project in Toronto, but I'm sure he could squeeze some time in to speak here at some point. He's been working in this field since the Vietnam War, where he was one of the first psychologists to help explain the seriousness and long-lasting effects of war-induced PTSD to the mainstream public." (blog comment on "the video" post)

are we supposed to be hunting down one of the pioneers of PTSD studies??

i'm not sure where to go with this, really, just putting in my two cents.

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desertilluminati wrote:
i've been perusing the blog, and watching the video and whatnot, and the overall theme that r.f. keeps bringing up is that he "wants to get the word out" and everything. from his comments on the idea of submitting the information to the radio show Coast to Coast (which he is right, is full of wingnut theories and whatnot, and immensely interesting/entertaining), to the not so subtle appeal to his former colleagues to stop by and help answer questions and perhaps write a blog post. he states that he is unsure how to go about getting the word out.

is that our job at this point? to simply drive traffic until some threshold is reached?

then, there is this...

"He's currently very busy working on some big project in Toronto, but I'm sure he could squeeze some time in to speak here at some point. He's been working in this field since the Vietnam War, where he was one of the first psychologists to help explain the seriousness and long-lasting effects of war-induced PTSD to the mainstream public." (blog comment on "the video" post)

are we supposed to be hunting down one of the pioneers of PTSD studies??

i'm not sure where to go with this, really, just putting in my two cents.
I tried the PTSD angle earlier and couldn't find anything conclusive. I'm not sure if we're supposed to figure out who they're talking about (doubtful), pretend to be that person, or the PM is expecting another co-PM to jump in about now and s/he hasn't.

If this is one of those PMs that sits there and crosses their arms till we drag traffic to the site, then I'm done playing. You can't force people to play your game. You get the players you get. If your game is good,, more people will hop on as you go along.

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Almijisti
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I've also tried searching for Toronto-based psychologists working on PTSD, to no avail. Perhaps the project this person is working on is not PTSD related. I'll keep looking.

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From a Canadian medical website on PTSD:

Veteran Affairs Canada wrote:
Memories, images, smells, sounds, and feelings of the traumatic event can "intrude" into the lives of individuals with PTSD. Sufferers may remain so captured by the memory of past horror that they have difficulty paying attention to the present. People with PTSD report frequent, distressing memories of the event that they wish they did not have. They may have nightmares of the event or other frightening themes. Movement, excessive sweating, and sometimes even acting out the dream while still asleep may accompany these nightmares.


Think PTSD might have anything to do with the hallucinations R.F. and colleagues experienced?

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I've been following this to see if maybe Bambos is behind it. This is going to be pretty awesome if he is, and it's already pretty interesting.

sartor wrote:
From a Canadian medical website on PTSD:

Veteran Affairs Canada wrote:
Memories, images, smells, sounds, and feelings of the traumatic event can "intrude" into the lives of individuals with PTSD. Sufferers may remain so captured by the memory of past horror that they have difficulty paying attention to the present. People with PTSD report frequent, distressing memories of the event that they wish they did not have. They may have nightmares of the event or other frightening themes. Movement, excessive sweating, and sometimes even acting out the dream while still asleep may accompany these nightmares.


Think PTSD might have anything to do with the hallucinations R.F. and colleagues experienced?


Wouldn't the guy who studied PTSD recognize it? And they'd have to have seen something pretty messed up to be traumatized by it. I think the video simply isn't creepy enough on its own to do that.

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Uberg33k wrote:


If this is one of those PMs that sits there and crosses their arms till we drag traffic to the site, then I'm done playing. You can't force people to play your game. You get the players you get. If your game is good,, more people will hop on as you go along.


i wouldn't have a problem with driving other players to a game.. if in fact there were more to it to begin with. i'm not opposed to digging around and rooting things out on my own (my abysmal post count on here, embarassing as it may be, should not be an indication of involvement. ~grimmaces~), but there has to be _something_ for players to be pointed to.

guess i will just keep an eye on the blog and wait to see if anything else comes up. other than that, aside from going "OMG look @ this!" i'm not sure how one would believably get the word out.

~shrugs~

i'm coming up dry on the PTSD angle as well.

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Thanks, myf, for the powerpoint viewer Very Happy

Oh, and desertilluminati, post count definitely doesn't matter. Look at me, for example. Around 300 posts and I'm still basically a noob!

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Wouldn't the guy who studied PTSD recognize it? And they'd have to have seen something pretty messed up to be traumatized by it. I think the video simply isn't creepy enough on its own to do that.


Creepy though the video may be to me, I'll agree with you there.
However, it could be possible that the subject didn't even experience this in his dream. R.F. did believe that the image was based on the subconscious defending itself from intruders (them).
It could be that this "guard" wasn't in the subject's dream experience at all.
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Chronus_Valtiel wrote:
Thanks, myf, for the powerpoint viewer Very Happy

Oh, and desertilluminati, post count definitely doesn't matter. Look at me, for example. Around 300 posts and I'm still basically a noob!

SuperFaust wrote:

Wouldn't the guy who studied PTSD recognize it? And they'd have to have seen something pretty messed up to be traumatized by it. I think the video simply isn't creepy enough on its own to do that.


Creepy though the video may be to me, I'll agree with you there.
However, it could be possible that the subject didn't even experience this in his dream. R.F. did believe that the image was based on the subconscious defending itself from intruders (them).
It could be that this "guard" wasn't in the subject's dream experience at all.


but still connected enuff to see the subject waking up in the "guards" video

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New responses from R.F. He gives a little more background information on the dream and the missing friend.

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Idea on the Missing Friend

Howdy all. My first time doing this.
I did some searching for the missing friend and this is what I came up with.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&LanguageCountry=en_US&searchLang=en_US&caseLang=en_US&orgPrefix=NCMC&caseNum=602923&seqNum=1

DERMOT KELLY, Age Now: 52, Missing: 01/30/1972. Missing From OGLESBY, IL. ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT: La Salle County Sheriff's Office (Illinois) - Missing Persons Unit.

Could be a coincidence, but I thought it was worth a shot. Ideas?

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Good, (and disturbing, I admit) catch, Bubasture!
I don't know for sure if it's in game, but it almost can't be coincidence.

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but still connected enuff to see the subject waking up in the "guards" video


Well, of course. This could mean that the subconscious is, in fact its own entity that also wanted to illustrate the subject waking up, or that the subject did, in fact, see this figure, but doesn't want to talk about it, as R.F. implies.
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Also seems to me that the "Curly getting hit in face with pie" explanation of the movie poster may be a reversion to previous childhood experiences to protect the subject's sanity from what he actually witnessed.

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something doesn't feel right about the page on the national center for missing & exploited children site. the time corrected picture doesn't look like the other ones on the site it (to me) looks more like a photograph, while the others have more of a painting quality. at the same time though, would this group allow someone to post false info on their national database? it seems more likely to me that our PM based the story of the missing friend off this real missing person
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