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SuperFaust
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 		Spotted another ominous little detail in R.F.'s latest entry. He mentions that he had to write the comments early tonight because he'll be busy with something during the time he would usually write them.

Keep in mind that he usually posts between 1 and 4 in the morning.

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Chronus_Valtiel
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 		Yeah... what could he possibly be doing at that time of night?
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Chronus_Valtiel wrote:
Yeah... what could he possibly be doing at that time of night?


Playing ARGs.

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Chronus_Valtiel
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 		XDDDD Yeah, maybe.

UPDATE:
I've recieved a reply from Samuel after inquiring why he would place such disturbing emails and images on his site, and then, much more bluntly asked who he was and what he was doing.
This was his response:
Samuel wrote:
I am former victim myself. I know what it's like. I know his pain. I know him. I want to protect him. Something needs to be done but he's going about it all wrong. He acknowledges some hallucinations as being obviously unreal, but he's completely accepting of others. It's hurting them all.

I'm a friend of a man who's not completely honest. There's a lot about "R.F." that he's not telling you. There's a lot that he's not telling you, you know. Some are just plain lies. He told you he doesn't feel a need to isolate him like some of the others? Lie. He told you those pictures have no real importance to him? Lie. He told you they weren't sure why the subject woke up? Lie. He told you that they still keep in touch with the subject? An impossibility.

They're all insane liars. They need help. They need to see again.

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 		Sam is partially right. RF seems to be suffering from a case of Schizophrenia, maybe the Red King is affecting everyone else?

Someone e-mail RF and see who were his colleagues during Red King.

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 		I asked if Sam would explain a bit more, in response.
I'll update with his response.

The only colleague we know of is "Greg".

Not too sure on who to trust, but it seems like R.F. IS making things up as he goes along....
I'm not picking sides just yet, but I'm starting to lean on Sam for the actual facts....
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Almijisti
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 		Interesting reply from Sammy
Sammy replied to my email and here's the exchange:

My email (trying to be polite, if not officious):

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Mr. Taylor,

I have come across your name and email recently whilst perusing an unusual blog written by one RF, regarding something known as The Red King Project. Without going over the details of what I know and don't know, I beg your indulgence for a few questions:

I have assumed that the Red King Project is so-called because of a reference to the Red King in Lewis Carrol's Alice Through the Looking Glass, which bears some superficial relationship to the alleged experiment dealing with the subconscious. It has been implied elsewhere, perhaps by yourself, that the Red King is, in fact, a reference to an actual individual or entity. Could you clarify what you know about this project and who or what the Red King is?

RF states that his wife described you as a physical therapist. Is this true, and if so, did you treat RF at some point? If it is not correct, would you care to elaborate on what it is that you do?

The pictures you sent to RF, which he has posted, show two individuals, perhaps children, who appear to have suffered massive head trauma or perhaps exhibit birth defects. Do the beings depicted in these pictures bear an actual relationship in some way to RF, or are they merely exemplars of something that you believe will trigger a response in RF?

Finally--and I do appreciate your patience--what can we do to help RF recover from his apparent malignant mental state?

Regards,
Almijisti


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I had to fix the people you see. That was my job. They had a man whose mind they studied. He did some eerie things in his past. They wanted to understand and control him. Some people there jokingly referred to him as the Red King. I don't always remember what I was doing there. . . I know I was supposed to help people. Employees were being tracked to make sure that if they were hurt they could receive immedate attention. I remember an overturned truck and a man covered in glass and mud. I remember a man's face being permanently scarred from an electrical accident. I remember a man losing a hand. I remember that dreadful woman. I remember R.F. and his friends and coworkers. I remember the high accident rates once they brought that man in. How afraid those who worked with him were. . . but how they mocked him anyway. I remember hallucinating after seeing things. . . I don't really remember what I saw.

He was hurt. He was bleeding. They were trying to calm him down. A scientist got hurt during the ruckus. They knew I was familiar with medicine. They wanted me to help. I remember stepping in that room. I don't want to think about it. I can't. This thing was it was scuttling through the air. It whipped around us. I don't think anyone saw it like me. The air was tight and there was this drum sound that kept repeating. I was so tired. We all slept.

I forgot about it until I was fired months later. I started to see things. I started to fear people. I don't

I don't like being questioned. I am trying to help. I didn't know what I did. He needs help. I stayed in a place. . . they helped me. Sometimes when I'm tired I type funny and I can't really write in cursive or anything anymore. My handwriting is sloppy too. I'm hurt but I'm okay. I'm alive.

I just wanted to help. He needs to see the proper light. Those pictures. . . I think I could help him remember. They hold importance.

You will help. I'm sure. If you need to talk to me, try the day mostly. The day mostly.


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 		emailed samuel, in relation to him calling r.f. a freak... what kind of freak? blah blah blah... at any rate, here's the response i got.

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He's a much more subtle freak. Unlike how I reacted, he knows how to hide it. His madness lurks quietly. . . even at his worst his family cannot truly guess just how broken the man is.

Those pictures are of the greatest personal importance. I intended only him to understand them. I believe I was successful even if he refuses to be honest about them.


nothing too important, really.

ooh, and the part about the air being tight like a drum, something whipping through the air, and all that...

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I remember stepping in that room. I don't want to think about it. I can't. This thing was it was scuttling through the air. It whipped around us. I don't think anyone saw it like me. The air was tight and there was this drum sound that kept repeating.


that, coupled with the children theme, reminds me of a book i read years ago, "the door to december". nothing to do with the game, but a good read nonetheless.

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Chronus_Valtiel
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 		Yeah, I love that book... first Koontz book I ever read.

This Samuel is starting to remind me of a certain character in Jacob's Ladder... I'll spoiler who for those who haven't seen it (it's a wonderful, but horrifying, film):
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Michael Newman, the chemist that talked to Jacob about what happened to the troops in Vietnam.

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This Samuel is starting to remind me of a certain character in Jacob's Ladder


aw yeah! now that you draw that line, i see that connection. i sent him another email, basically opening the door to him expounding in more detail about what role the wife may or may not have in the whole deal.

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A quiet, lurking madness is often more nefarious than screaming and rending clothes on the street corner. It has been my experience (at least as a nurse who volunteers in a field that brings me into contact with the certifiable on a frequent basis), that broken people have a tendency to shatter, often spectacularly.



I wonder... is his family in danger? It seems as if, judging by his blog, his family (wife) is at least, if not supportive, then a panderer. I wonder if she knows about his rambling writings, and what she would have to say about them?



heh, the first time my work with psychiatric patients may pay off outisde of the unit! yay me.

/eye roll.

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 		I see this hasn't been pointed out and may not even be important, but after the last post, we know now that RF is in California.

Sammy being a PT and having a strong relationship to RF (even if he doesn't remember it) could strengthen the idea that RF was involved in a horrible accident.

Lastly, if the only thing that was going on with the Red King project was recording dreams, why on earth were so many people hurt, as Sammy implies?

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I'd also like to clarify something I said earlier. I'm not really wanting to call Sammy a "bad guy" and RF the "good guy". Its been said, correctly I might add, that its too early to tell. But Sammy's aggressive attitude towards RF is really questionable, considering that RF seems to have no idea what's going on. Why be so mean to someone whom obviously doesn't know or remember what happened? If you're really trying to help someone, is this the attitude you would use?

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He told you that they still keep in touch with the subject? An impossibility.


The subject is missing?
The subject is hiding?
The subject is in a coma?
The subject is dead?
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Uberg33k wrote:
But Sammy's aggressive attitude towards RF is really questionable, considering that RF seems to have no idea what's going on. Why be so mean to someone whom obviously doesn't know or remember what happened? If you're really trying to help someone, is this the attitude you would use?


I imagine that Samuel's feels as though he needs to be harsh toward R.F. to get him to snap out of his ordeal.
Assuming that he's telling the truth, Sam did say that he wasn't much different from R.F. at one time. He probably got out of it through the same harshness.

Either that or he IS lying and this is some twisted experiment.

And to Gunih: I have a dark feeling that our subject is dead....

EDIT: I think I know what the puzzle is, now.
This may be a game of who to trust....
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Chronus_Valtiel wrote:
Uberg33k wrote:
But Sammy's aggressive attitude towards RF is really questionable, considering that RF seems to have no idea what's going on. Why be so mean to someone whom obviously doesn't know or remember what happened? If you're really trying to help someone, is this the attitude you would use?


I imagine that Samuel's feels as though he needs to be harsh toward R.F. to get him to snap out of his ordeal.
Assuming that he's telling the truth, Sam did say that he wasn't much different from R.F. at one time. He probably got out of it through the same harshness.

Either that or he IS lying and this is some twisted experiment.

And to Gunih: I have a dark feeling that our subject is dead....

EDIT: I think I know what the puzzle is, now.
This may be a game of who to trust....
I agree with the subject being dead. That's truly the only way that being in contact with him/her would be an impossibility.

There's a third possibility for Sammy you haven't listed : he's flat out nuts.

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 		Then why was the subject's "HEY! YOU! STOP TRESPASSING THIS DREAMWORLD!" cop hanging outside RF's house?

And the "Little Boy Blue"... someone describe him? Is he doing anything, like the dreamcop?

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