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mgelles
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Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 210
Just shared my thoughts with sammy by sending the following:
I know you most think it awfully strange for all these people to keep mailing you, but I've been following R.F's blog and I'm genuinely concerned that more people are going to be hurt. Someone did something to R.f as part of this project didn't they made him think he was someone else and now they're using him to do the same thing to these kids, these feral children he talks about working with shove memories in their head to make them normal. You said "He keeps them close to him. He stifles them" Red king isn't over is it Mr. Tyler?
Michelle
Can't wait to see if I'm warm on any of this
Edit no you're not making it up. Sammy said the green truck was in accident and we know R.F. has a green truck so it would be a perfectly logical assumption that R.F. was in an accident but I really think we may be dealing with two people here. The memories of one man in the body of another. Maybe the real R.F. died or was seriously injured in an accident
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:15 pm
SuperFaust
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Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 14
At least know we know two personal details about Sammy:
He has a girlfriend.
He has a sick mother.
That's assuming that R.F.'s phone conversation with the girlfriend wasn't imagined or lies.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:49 pm
waitress#2
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Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 873
I think we should hear from him again before morning if he's going out with his neighbor with a gun to check out the squatter.
I wonder if they won't be able to find the shelter he said he saw or if they'll actually encounter the squatter. I think they should call the police and not mess with it.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:08 pm
Chronus_Valtiel
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Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 975 Location: Some house I found. The people in it are really annoying.
Personally, and this is opinion only, I think that, whatever happened to poor R.F., he was driven completely insane.
If he DID call the cops, they probably would find nothing of what R.F. described. They probably wouldn't have found a sign he may have made while he was there. He probably didn't go into the woods at all....
He said it himself:
The subject started talking about Curly getting pied in the face, instead of what was really going on in his dream.
I'm beginning to think more and more that this man really was the subject and that, he described to us exactly what he is doing to us now by telling us about the subject's responses to his own dream after waking.
The subject filled the scientists with lies to turn away from the truth.
Of course this is only speculation.... The guy could be fine....
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:55 am
desertilluminati
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Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 104 Location: ohio
emailed reply from samuel. i asked him about r.f.'s wife and her involvement.
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His wife's role as an enabler both protects and greatly frustrates her. She'll argue him and his more serious delusions from time to time. . . try to show him reality. She can't force it on him. She won't. He has no reason to harm her and no reason to become truly, violently angry with her.
She knows nothing of his journal.
so, he is hiding the journal... or just elected to forget to mention it. she is aware that the issues r.f. is having are delusions, and we don't have to worry about him snapping and hurting her.
~mutters~
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:54 am
Almijisti
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Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 227
Keep in mind what Sammy said: the Red King is an actual person who was a patient of some sort that Sammy "had to fix" (my comments in italics):
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I had to fix the people you see. (could this be a euphemism killing them? )That was my job. They had a man whose mind they studied. He did some eerie things in his past. They wanted to understand and control him. Some people there jokingly referred to him as the Red King.
Red King wasn't the only patient--if that's what they were; but he was the most important and he started to take control over whatever it is they were doing:
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I don't always remember what I was doing there. . . I know I was supposed to help people. Employees were being tracked to make sure that if they were hurt they could receive immedate attention. I remember an overturned truck and a man covered in glass and mud. I remember a man's face being permanently scarred from an electrical accident. I remember a man losing a hand. I remember that dreadful woman. (second time Sammy's mentioned her )
Here's where it gets confusing, because Sammy starts to use indefinite pronouns:
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I remember R.F. and his friends and coworkers. I remember the high accident rates once they brought that man in. (which man? is he talking about the Red King or RF now? ) How afraid those who worked with him were. . . but how they mocked him anyway. I remember hallucinating after seeing things. . . I don't really remember what I saw. (again, who is he referring to, Red King or RF? )
He was hurt. He was bleeding. They were trying to calm him down. A scientist got hurt during the ruckus. They knew I was familiar with medicine. (same problem of indefinite pronoun--who is he talking about? ). They wanted me to help. I remember stepping in that room. I don't want to think about it. I can't. This thing was it was scuttling through the air. It whipped around us. I don't think anyone saw it like me. The air was tight and there was this drum sound that kept repeating. I was so tired. We all slept.
I forgot about it until I was fired months later. I started to see things. I started to fear people. I don't
I don't like being questioned. I am trying to help. I didn't know what I did. He needs help. I stayed in a place. . . they helped me. Sometimes when I'm tired I type funny and I can't really write in cursive or anything anymore. My handwriting is sloppy too. I'm hurt but I'm okay. I'm alive.
I just wanted to help. He needs to see the proper light. Those pictures. . . I think I could help him remember. They hold importance. (here it's pretty clear he's talking about RF ).
You will help. I'm sure. If you need to talk to me, try the day mostly. The day mostly.
I am starting to think that the Red King is the one who is now controlling things.
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:23 am
Liquidtouch
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Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 50
I read through this forum and didn't see anything that perhaps matched up "The Red King" to Constantine 2 (which i hear is in the works). Constantine has a tattoo of the "Red King" that he wears as a protective device while summoning Gabriel in the first movie.
This is a quote from about.com when you search "Red King"
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"This emblem [Red King] appears in Constantine, the movie adaptation of the Hellblazer Comic Book series, as a tattoo worn as a protective device by the title character, used while summoning the angel Gabriel."
This bit reminded me a bit of Constantine.
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I remember stepping in that room. I don't want to think about it. I can't. This thing was it was scuttling through the air. It whipped around us. I don't think anyone saw it like me. The air was tight and there was this drum sound that kept repeating. I was so tired. We all slept.
Not that it matters just thought I would throw out that possible connection.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:56 pm
the_velociraptor
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Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 237 Location: A pen in Isla Sorna
Ask Sam about the dream cop (the one seen in the video with his arms outstretched, the one who caused the subject to wake).
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:18 pm
desertilluminati
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Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 104 Location: ohio
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Ask Sam about the dream cop (the one seen in the video with his arms outstretched, the one who caused the subject to wake).
i was under the impression that the dream cop was the test subject's own subconcious, reacting to the invasion of the monitoring equipment, and the waking was not so much caused by the actions of the image shown, but by the subject himself rebelling against the procedure being done to monitor his dreams.
edited to fix my crappy bbcode skillz
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:21 pm
the_velociraptor
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Yes, but RF has been seeing the cop hanging outside the house. Might be relevant.
What about the people peeking around corners and cracked doors? Can RF describe what do they look like?
EDIT: I named him the cop, because one of the members said something about him being a guardian.
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:27 pm
desertilluminati
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i had to go back and re-read some of the blog stuff, and i missed this the first time through (in my hurry to get more information, most likely) so apologies if i seemed short velociraptor.
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Sometimes I see the figure from the video. Sitting on my back porch this summer, I saw him in a field behind my house. He watched me. I watched him. As fog rolled in, he disappeared. I do not like doors cracked open in my home anymore, as I can always sense and half-see someone looking out of them.
didn't r.f. head through that field through the woods to eventually come upon that squatter's place?
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:32 pm
MotaHed
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Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 227 Location: Portland OR
sartor wrote:
R.F. is a Virgo! Could he have had another life before this, perhaps? Something strange is going on.
And other dude said that emerald used to be his birthstone... Which is for Taurus or Cancer.
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:36 pm
the_velociraptor
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I didn't watch the video, because I hate twitches. What does the cop look like? D1ABL0 stated he's naked (no, more like an outline).
Okay, so he's being vague about the "someone's peeking out of his doors". Can someone ask him if his colleague "Greg" is contactable?
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:38 pm
Liquidtouch
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Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 50
about the twitches did anyone notice that the text overlay seems to twitch twice in the video as well? I was watching it in slow motion when I noticed that first the right side (with the date) shifts a bit and then the left side does.
Besides the date we should ask him what the other numbers reference?
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:25 pm
SuperFaust
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Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 14
Liquidtouch wrote:
about the twitches did anyone notice that the text overlay seems to twitch twice in the video as well? I was watching it in slow motion when I noticed that first the right side (with the date) shifts a bit and then the left side does.
Besides the date we should ask him what the other numbers reference?
Liquidtouch
A lot of older video programs create weird "stutters" like that with text and other stuff added to a video.
I doubt it has anything to do with the story but I guess it could be the beginning of the subject waking up.
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:58 pm
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