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[TRAILHEAD?] The Red King Project
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waitress#2
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Amijisti, I can't find any emails from Samuel saying anything about a girlfriend. There was the one email about the "awful woman", and he said this about R.F.'s wife -
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His wife's role as an enabler both protects and greatly frustrates her. She'll argue him and his more serious delusions from time to time. . . try to show him reality. She can't force it on him. She won't. He has no reason to harm her and no reason to become truly, violently angry with her.

She knows nothing of his journal.

He made some comments in the phone conversation, is that what you're referring to?

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Almijisti
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waitress#2 wrote:
Amijisti, I can't find any emails from Samuel saying anything about a girlfriend. There was the one email about the "awful woman", and he said this about R.F.'s wife -
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His wife's role as an enabler both protects and greatly frustrates her. She'll argue him and his more serious delusions from time to time. . . try to show him reality. She can't force it on him. She won't. He has no reason to harm her and no reason to become truly, violently angry with her.

She knows nothing of his journal.

He made some comments in the phone conversation, is that what you're referring to?


Yes, that's what I was thinking of. Sam's not acknowledged his alleged girlfriend, but RF supposedly spoke with her (from "The Squatter, Sammy, and Greg"):

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Spoke with Sam's girlfriend today. She sort of worried me at first - mistook me for someone else, I believe (as if things weren't confusing enough). Turns out that Sam told her he had to leave to tend to his sick mother yesterday. She said she wasn't sure why he had called me and that he hadn't left any message for her to give to any friends. She's going to call me as soon as possible after speaking with him sometime.


Incidentally, that business about Sam's "girlfriend" possibly confusing RF with someone else is interesting and may or may not back up my theory that RF's wife/Sam's girlfriend is one of the people pulling the strings.

Samuel later denies that the girl is his girlfriend (from "entry 19")
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Samuel: And there's that girl living in my house. I don't know - I woke up one day and she was - I don't know who the fuck that even is.

Me: Jesus Christ.

Samuel: She's obnoxious and - and ignorant. I can imagine no scenario where I would be attracted to someone like that.


I missed that Sam email you quote; it's interesting in that at the time, Sam viewed RF's wife in a somewhat positive light. I'm identifying the "awful woman" that Sam mentioned before in connection with the experiment, and the girl in his house, though to be fair, he himself does not make this connection. That's my working hypothesis, at any rate; whether RF's wife is now considered an "awful woman" too is pure speculation on my part. In any event, if Sam is RF, then RF's wife and the girl in Sam's house are likely the same.

I made a mistake in my recent posting to RF; I forgot that RF did say that his wife met Sammy at a Christmas party. I'm not going to update that post, however, since I want to see if RF fills in some details about his wife. While the Sam=RF thing is compelling, at this point it almost doesn't matter since even if it's true, Sam and RF are going to have to keep acting as separate entities for now in order for this to play out. I am convinced that finding RF's wife will give us plenty of good information or at least more clues, though we have to be careful, or course.

BTW, I could swear that "entry 19" was originally titled "19th Entry"--am I just losing it, or could someone check their cache? Mine's already been refreshed.

What's the protocol on creating a separate, second, short Reference thread for Red King in this particular forum? There's so many different clues and red herrings, it's really hard to keep track by going back and forth.
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waitress#2
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It was called entry 19, Chronus quoted the title right after the post showed up. It's on page 19 of this thread.

I don't think we are supposed to start separate threads but could we start a Wiki entry?

edit/I don't know that we shouldn't start more threads. You could ask a mod.

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Almijisti
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waitress#2 wrote:
It was called entry 19, Chronus quoted the title right after the post showed up. It's on page 19 of this thread.

I don't think we are supposed to start separate threads but could we start a Wiki entry?

edit/I don't know that we shouldn't start more threads. You could ask a mod.


Thanks; now I know I was losing it--this happens when RF insists on typically updating things at 3 AM EST. I'm too tired to work on anything reference-wise tonight. Maybe this weekend if there's not too much in the way of updates at the blog.
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Chronus_Valtiel
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Okay, that's kind of weird.
I was thinking it was 19th Entry, too.
I'm just going to hope that it's an uncomfortable coincidence....
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Killian
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I just sent off an e-mail to Samuel, too.
Which, I think, marks my first time ever e-mailing an in-game character. YAY ME!
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mgelles
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so are we actually intending to give Sam what he want. Granted from a sort of meta perspective, it's the first time we've become directly engaged in the game but helping a man who's even one half homocidal maniac seems a bit of a betrayal to me.
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desertilluminati
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Granted from a sort of meta perspective, it's the first time we've become directly engaged in the game but helping a man who's even one half homocidal maniac seems a bit of a betrayal to me.

in a way... perhaps. in the interest of moving things forward, it seems that this is the next logical step. so, does one decide to not give the information over, and possibly save r.f., or give it over and perhaps doom him and his family?
ah, conundrum.
i would lean towards giving the info over, at least until there is perhaps another character introduced to interact with, get more information from, help.
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Killian
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My vote would be to NOT give the information, and see where it goes from there.
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waitress#2
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I am not willing to give Samuel information that could cause harm to R.F.'s family. In my email from Samuel he said he needed my help to get the whole video

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I CAN SEE IT BUT I NEED YOUR HELP TO GET THE WHOLE VIDEO

I NEED YOU TO TELL ME WHERE HIS FAMILY WENT

I NEED TO FIND THEM

YOU GET THEIR TEMPORARY HOME INFORMATION AND ANYTHING YOU WANT IS YOURS

The whole video is where I'll find more information and Samuel obviously doesn't have it. R.F. said the reason he wouldn't upload the audio tape to us was that he was unsure whether he could trust us.

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No offense to any of you, but we wouldn't feel completely comfortable sending the file to a party that does not wish well on us. Any one of you could be someone related to the Red King Project - someone malicious.

I don't think we should violate his trust.
Samuel himself told R.F. to hide his children from him.

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mgelles
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In my view, It's one thing entirely to gain as much info as we can for own knowledge and quite another to give it to sam who appears to be rapidly cominf unglued. In Samuel's alledged phone call he made it clear that he didn't even trust himself with r.f's wife and kids. I'm with waitress and killian on this. If in the context of the game rule number one is to act as if it were not a game, i would never bargain with someone else's life especially kids.
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Killian
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mgelles wrote:
If in the context of the game rule number one is to act as if it were not a game, i would never bargain with someone else's life especially kids.


Very well said.
This might be a dumb question (I am usually good for those...), but do we even HAVE this information he wants?
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waitress#2
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We don't know where R.F.'s family is. This is what Samuel wrote in his email to Almijisti -
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YOU WILL GET THE NECESSARY INfORMATION FROM HIM FOR ME

I WANT YOU TO MAKE HIM TRUST YOU AND I WANT TO KNOW WHERE HIS FAMILY IS


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Killian
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Ah...ok, thank you. Smile
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mgelles wrote:
If in the context of the game rule number one is to act as if it were not a game, i would never bargain with someone else's life especially kids.
michelle

ah, you know, that's a good point... tinag and all, eh? Embarassed
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