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[REFERENCE] Is that new site in game, or not?
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Duckie
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[REFERENCE] Is that new site in game, or not?

We've all been seeing plently of speculation on a multitude of "new" websites, and each one is generating a healthy amount of debate. While thats good, and helps the creative process, I think it would be in everyone's best interests to calm down, not support trolls, and pray for a real update.

I've been seeing a lot of quotes just like this lately (and I don't mean to pick on you here, Cysa, but its a prime example):

Cysa wrote:

I REALLY DOUBT THIS IS REAL, BUT DON'T SHOOT IT DOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW!


Take it from someone who's been around a while, but that is an excellent reason to shoot it down. Puppetmasters behind ARGs, big budget to grassroots, will usually make it painstakingly obvious what is in-game, and what isn't. At the grassroots level, its because people are very unlikely to just "stumble" across a website you made. At the big-budget level, its because you're bound to get plenty of game-jacks. Thats not to say that the level of confusion and excitement gamejacks cause doesn't help create interest in their game; but you wouldn't want people to think a legit site is a dead end.

Look at I love Bees. You see the movie trailer for Halo 2, which leads you directly to ilovebees.com
The first link you see on that page leads you to ilovebees.blogspot.com
Those were the TWO websites in the game. They all logically lead to one another, and you never wondered if the blog was a hoax.
There was NO debate about these websites.
There was TONS of debate about many, many other websites that popped up, none of those sites were real.

Now, not every game is run the same way, but I can guarantee you (pay attention here kiddies):

if you have to wonder whether a site is legit or not, it is PROBABLY NOT LEGIT
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:47 pm
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Cysa
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I'm not trying to argue that these sites are real, I just want people to spend or time looking into thing rather than just assuming something because some one else says OOG or Game Jack.

Yes we should question everything and hold on to our doubts, but seriously, its not like we have too terribly much else to research in this ARG. If someone posts a possible site, spend some time there, don't just look at it and say, I don't know bout this, then close your explorer and call anyone an idiot who references the site again. Far as I know none of you people posting are actually Abrams himself and he is really the only one who can tell you for sure if the site is real or not, well unless your the one who created the game jack then you can say your site is fake.

I'm sorry if people think I'm trying to slow down the progress with game jacks or what ever, but I see a lot of people on this forum dismissing everything for no reason what so ever.

A logical compromise would just be to stop calling things OOG before everyone has a chance to look things over and analyze information provided by the site. And I really do not care how long you have been playing these style games, someone tell me how they could tell right away that the slusho site was correlated to the movie. Because a character in a movie trailer was wearing a T-shirt for this company? I mean yeah after we searched and found out the company wasn't real and that the only other reference to the product was in the show Alias, then its pretty clear, but you had to do research to learn this(or followed alias fanatically, since it was the second episode this reference was made).

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:12 pm
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It's either JJ's been working on this for a long time or he likes reusing things. A Slusho reference in Alias just sounds like he likes reusing things. But when we saw that image from the Season One DVD for Lost that showed JJ wearing a shirt with the Slusho robots on it, I think that proofs he's been working on this for a little while. Yes, that'd be pretty crazy, putting subtle clues to a secret movie in your other products, but hey, this is JJ Abrams we're talking about.

What does this have to do with this topic? What I think is that the fact that he's been working on this movie for a while shows that the ARG stuff has been thoroughly thought out. The trailer lead us to 1-18-08.com and slusho.jp. From 1-18-08.com, we found the Myspace pages. It seems like JJ & Company have gradually setting up clues for us, like I Love Bees or The Beast. ILB was found from the trailer for Halo 2, a la Slusho with this trailer. I think if there's proof of something in the things that we know are official, like the picture website, Slusho, and the Myspace pages, then it's possible the new thing that's been found is official. If we have no clues from these sources that the new thing is official, it's probably not official.

In short, I pretty much agree with Duckie.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:22 pm
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i_c_weiner wrote:
It's either JJ's been working on this for a long time or he likes reusing things. A Slusho reference in Alias just sounds like he likes reusing things. But when we saw that image from the Season One DVD for Lost that showed JJ wearing a shirt with the Slusho robots on it, I think that proofs he's been working on this for a little while. Yes, that'd be pretty crazy, putting subtle clues to a secret movie in your other products, but hey, this is JJ Abrams we're talking about.


That shirt is NOT a Slusho shirt. The shapes of the robots are all wrong. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I assume it is Transformers. I think he probably got the idea for the Slusho robots from the shirt and the Transformers movie, but I HIGHLY doubt that he's been working on Slusho robots since S1 of Lost.

BTW, I agree with Duckie too.

The problem with the OOG/Gamejack list, is it doesn't say why the site was put on the list, so people think it was put on there for NO reason.

Also, I think what we need is a tutorial to teach people how to tell if a site is real or not. Maybe something like the "you might be a redneck..."

ITT, It might be a GameJack if...

• If the domain was created BEFORE 1-18-08.com, It might be a GameJack...
• If the site has advertising on it (ie. Google AdSense), It might be a GameJack...
• If the site has links to another OOG sites, It might be a GameJack...

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If the domain was created BEFORE 1-18-08.com, It might be a GameJack...


Actually, that's not necessarily the case. In fact, the *opposite* is more the case; if it's created AFTER the main site, it is most definitely a "gamejack".

You have to assume that some preparation takes place prior to launch, so all the pieces need to be in place beforehand.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:51 pm
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i_c_weiner
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Just to let you all know, I'm the guest that's name was (oddly enough) i_c_weiner. I finally got around to registering after lurking around since the trailer.

Yeah, I just noticed that the robots on the shirt weren't the Slusho robots, but the fact that there's six of them of different sizes harkens to the Slusho robots. Perhaps an early prototype, although that may be a stretch, like said before, considering how far back the photo was taken. The only way that the robots in the shirt were related to the Slusho robots is if the Slusho robots played a significant role in something, which they haven't thus far.

My point still remains that this seems pre-planned to some degree and is likely like previous ARGs where one clue leads to another. I don't think that they would have a secret website that nobody knows about until some random blog mentions it. It would have to be something from the confirmed sources and likely registered (I'm not going to say "definitely" registered, as something may come up during the process that the people behind this didn't see coming) before the trailer/before we found 1-18-08.com. Just because some random site says "IT'S CTHULHU!!1!" and has an image of a Cthulhu-esque monster in a destroyed NYC doesn't mean it is Cthulhu. (Even though I personally wouldn't mind Cthulhu...) Let's think a little before we start say something's in-game, and think a little before we completely write something off as OOG.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:35 pm
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Nighthawk wrote:
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If the domain was created BEFORE 1-18-08.com, It might be a GameJack...


Actually, that's not necessarily the case. In fact, the *opposite* is more the case; if it's created AFTER the main site, it is most definitely a "gamejack".

You have to assume that some preparation takes place prior to launch, so all the pieces need to be in place beforehand.


The opposite CAN'T be true. You can't assume everything has been created since day one, because there would be no way for the creators of the ARG to add anything new once the game starts.

For a historical reference, I just looked up all the domain creation dates for The Lost Experience ARG websites:

Apr 11, 2006 - DJDan.am
Apr 14, 2006 - ApolloCandy.com
Apr 24, 2006 - RachelBlake.com
Apr 24, 2006 - HansoExposed.com
Apr 25, 2006 - LetYourCompassGuideYou.com

May 02, 2006 - The Lost Experience ARG Started

May 15, 2006 - WhereIsAlvar.com
May 15, 2006 - RetrieversOfTruth.com
May 25, 2006 - Sublymonal.com

Some sites were set up before the ARG started, and some were set up after. But ALL of them were created within about a one month time span. The only exceptions were a couple of in-game Verizon sites that were repurposed for the game.

If you look at Warbloid.com, it was registered over 4 months before the 1-18-08.com site (22-nov-2006 vs. 30-mar-2007). There are other reasons why this site is gamejack, but the registration date in this case is good enough for me.


For completeness here are domain creation dates for the official Cloverfield sites:

Mar 30, 2007 - 1-18-08.com
May 04, 2007 - Slusho.com
Jun 27, 2007 - Slusho.jp

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It might be a Gamejack, if...

the Gamejack website contacts you to tell you they are not a gamejack Laughing

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:05 pm
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