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Oniduo
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aye! which goes with my bounce theory
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:14 am
suckaH
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Improbable, but it is possible that the beast grabbed the SoL head, came to shore and roared (first roar). It throws the SoL head at something like a building or a group of people (somewhat near rob's apmt), but this was not shown in the trailer. Then it goes and makes said explosion in the trailer, along with the second roar. When it's pwning people elsewhere, an explosion occurs near rob and co. which flings the SoL head through the air toward the building.
Basically what i'm saying that the SoL didn't have to be thrown, it could have been flung into the air by an explosion. Improbable, yes, but we are all stretching for anything due to JJ being a genius bastard.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:55 am
Elenenedh
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What do you think did produce the earthquake by the way? Is the monster that huge or did something else explode (tho it should have been mentioned in the newscast)?
Meh, if the monster wasn't origin and if there would be some mist around I'd be heavily reminded to King's short story The Mist, but that's gonna be made by Frank Darabont.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:38 am
suckaH
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Elenenedh wrote:
What do you think did produce the earthquake by the way? Is the monster that huge or did something else explode (tho it should have been mentioned in the newscast)?
Meh, if the monster wasn't origin and if there would be some mist around I'd be heavily reminded to King's short story The Mist, but that's gonna be made by Frank Darabont.
If the monster was properly grounded, it's roar could generate such a quake.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:19 am
Elenenedh
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suckaH wrote:
Elenenedh wrote:
What do you think did produce the earthquake by the way? Is the monster that huge or did something else explode (tho it should have been mentioned in the newscast)?
Meh, if the monster wasn't origin and if there would be some mist around I'd be heavily reminded to King's short story The Mist, but that's gonna be made by Frank Darabont.
If the monster was properly grounded, it's roar could generate such a quake.
Idd, the second sound it makes during his first roar got some vibrational energy. Actually it must produce as well a nice wave with it if it still hangs around in the water while roaring.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:28 am
dontlookmyage
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Perhaps there are more than one and they're fighting. One comes up from underground (causing earthquake and subsequent explosion). Other sees it from it's position at SOL, gets pissed, snatches off head, flings it toward other, who deflects it, causing the head to bounce off the building, etc. At this point, anything's possible..
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:12 am
Kingpin
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JordLimb wrote:
Just seemed like a good bit of distance between the City Hall Park area and the SOL, unless of course it comes from underground and then exits the city, towards SOL. I would think that if it were coming up from the water then the SOL would have been first, followed by the explosion if it were moving inland. Just a thought
That's assuming the creature didn't carry Liberty's head with it when it caused the explosion in Lower Manhattan. I see no reason to rule that out at the current time.
I view the timeline of events as follows:
Statue of Liberty's head is ripped off of the statue -- 'Earthquake'/Short blackout -- Explosion in Downtown -- Liberty's head is thrown toward Midtown and hits the 401 Broadway Building
Oniduo wrote:
Anyone ever put into consideration that the SOLH bounced before it hit robs place and thats why it came from a funky direction? If you look at the head closely it looks pretty banged up. Even the little spikes from the crown are gone and it looks like the face was ripped off from the back. Like the head was broken into two pieces. That could result from the monster ripping it in half or the impact to the ground was so harsh that it caused it to crack into two pieces and bounce off into other directions.
Keeping in mind it may have disaster film physics, but I doubt it'd be moving that fast if it'd already bounced off of something... I attribute the damage to the impact qith 401, the street... and whatever the monster may have done to it to get it torn off in the first place.
I'd like to know why a lot of people assume the head was thrown from Liberty Island.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:23 am
Lambo_Diablo_Svtt
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Please explain to me how the bounce theory would work with what i said previously?
When they see the first explosion, they all begin to run to the ground floor. Again, the camera is flickering on and off. We DO NOT know how long it took for them to get down. But judging from the trailer, they are in a moderately tall building. There is no possible way for the SoL head to bounce into the building like that. Sequence of events
Explosion: head begins to bounce
Gang runs down the building... takes at LEAST 10 minutes. By this point, in order for the head to crash into the building as hard as it did, it would need to be going VERY fast. Also, in order to cover that much ground and still hit that hard, it would be going very fast. It would have hit already within 10 minutes...
Im sorry, but the Bounce theory doesnt fly with me. It seems most people forget that it must have taken the gang at least 10 minutes to get to the ground, and possibly up to the roof depending on what floor they are on.
Case in point, he have no idea about what time each event happens EXCEPT for when the news is on.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:06 am
Oniduo
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i put it in both sequences if it was thrown from liberty island or carried. The main thing that had me curious is that the head came from a different direction than where the explosion came from. I dont believe the beast threw the head from liberty island and ran into the city, made something shake and explode just in time for rob to see the head hit his street. I like the other theory that the other person came up with. The two monsters and the head being thrown at the other and it deflects it. Doesnt mean the head HAD to be thrown from liberty island just makes sense in how the events worked out. I dont think the monster could have walked from liberty island to the middle of new york in like the 20ish minutes it may have taken rob and his friends to walk to the roof of his apartment. I'm not saying that the military would have shown up in that time but with 20 minutes you could have heard the beasts steps or SOMEONE must have seen it and for new york news...surely they'd have an idea. But sense in the preview they didnt it then this could mean that this monster could be an aerial type beast........one of them came from the ground and the other attacked it type of thing....Or..it could be one hell of a ninja.
and i only came up with the bounce thing because it made a lot more sense than the monster throwing the head from liberty island and it completely miss the taller buildings out in front of robs apartment and land in his street. I'm pretty sure the monster didnt throw a curveball with the SOL head.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:13 am
Lambo_Diablo_Svtt
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Quote:
The main thing that had me curious is that the head came from a different direction than where the explosion came from.
Proof of this? Let me draw a quick little diagram
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|###***# |
|#######|
|#######|
|#######|
|#######|
The stars represent Rob & Co. right? From the angle in the trailer, how can you determin which direction they came out of? They might have come from the back because....
...................*BOOMITY!* Explosion over here
______ Gang looking at explosion.
|#***#|...................................................|
|####|....................................................|
|####| ....................................................| SoL Head
.......|........................................................V
...... V robs gang exits
.....*** ........................<--------------------- X Crashes into building
................................Flys / rolls in this direction
This diagram makes complete sense. But in truth, we really have no clue as to which direction the explosion and head came from.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:24 am
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Oniduo
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they exited to the right if you got it set the way i think you do. We know this because you can still see that tower from the street that they were looking at when something exploded from in front of it.Its that big shiny golden building, I'm not sure what its called. Also..I dunno if it was bad editing or thought on their part but from the street that building looks A LOT closer than it did from the roof. But its at the last scene of them on the street the first shot of that direction is the the thick smoke then they span it higher up and you can see that the golden building is still intact and glittering brighter and you also see the head coming from the far left which looks like its a little ways from where the explosion occured sense we saw the explosion come from the front of the golden building.
That's all I mean, the angle was wierd.
Gang looking at explosion.
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|#***#|.......l....................l#####l
|####|---->l crew exits .l#####l
|####|........l....................l#####l
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:30 am
Lambo_Diablo_Svtt
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Well I'll be.... Your right about the gold building...
That is EXTREMELY odd how close the building is all of a sudden... Its larger from the ground view then it is when the camera zooms in on it!
In that case... we really have NO sense of time OR place in this trailer, it goes everywhere!
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:35 am
Oniduo
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^_^ yeah which makes me think kinda...that maybe that last scene isnt from the party but another part of the movie. Like...eh thinking about the scenario....but it always made me wonder about the quote "get in the subway" if noone knew it was a monster but a terroristic attack why would they think the subways were safe? It would be the best place to isolate people and get to them. If they knew it was a monster but hadnt seen what it was for most of the movie then "I saw it, its alive, its huge" makes sense cause they know its a monster but havent seen it. Also for "get in the subway" they'd know that the monster cant get them in the subways. Also I thought about the picture with the women and the army guy and the car behind them, it looks like a parking structure to me because the tall white thing behind the car looks like a pillar. Like maybe the population ran underground for safety.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:44 am
Kingpin
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WARNING, INCOMING ANALLY RETENT EXPLANATION . - Yeah, I'm a ReBoot fan.
Oniduo wrote:
I dont think the monster could have walked from liberty island to the middle of new york in like the 20ish minutes it may have taken rob and his friends to walk to the roof of his apartment. I'm not saying that the military would have shown up in that time but with 20 minutes you could have heard the beasts steps or SOMEONE must have seen it and for new york news...surely they'd have an idea.
No chance that it swam? That'd easily explain the lack of thunderous footsteps.
Oniduo wrote:
and i only came up with the bounce thing because it made a lot more sense than the monster throwing the head from liberty island and it completely miss the taller buildings out in front of robs apartment and land in his street. I'm pretty sure the monster didnt throw a curveball with the SOL head.
I figure it's safe to conclude that it was not thrown from Liberty Island itself.
Here's a decent map of lower Manhattan that I found which helps explain my reasoning for citing City Hall Park as the source of the explosion and where the monster threw the statue's head, I don't think it includes the block that Rob's building is suggested to be on, but you should get the jist of it:
Additionally, in the trailer the New York City Municipal Building can be seen on the left-hand edge of the explosion. You can also see the peaked building (The U.S. Courthouse) in front of the explosion in the trailer.
City Hall park is that open space behind them in the black and white photograph.
I could do it with some pretty flow diagrams... but then that'd just be really anal.
The 'big golden building' you mentioned is the Woolworth Building, and you're right in that the street location and rooftop location are notably different... it's what's led to the belief that the trailer is a condensed series of events.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:04 pm
Oniduo
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Yeah, i completely understand what you mean but I wonder why the monster would go to that specific open space? And even if it did swim to new york it cant swim through it so eventually it'd have had to step foot on land. Makes me wonder if this thing really can fly, that place would be a good place to land.
Could be a sea to sky dwelling creature. :\
indepth explinations are awesome ^_^ And open minds to more ideas and insight!
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:10 pm
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