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[QUESTION] About the trailer
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Oniduo wrote:
Yeah, i completely understand what you mean but I wonder why the monster would go to that specific open space? And even if it did swim to new york it cant swim through it so eventually it'd have had to step foot on land. Makes me wonder if this thing really can fly, that place would be a good place to land.

Could be a sea to sky dwelling creature. :\

indepth explinations are awesome ^_^ And open minds to more ideas and insight!


Probably for that reason that it's a big open space... like everyone I don't know anything about the monster, but I figure it's as concious about being surrounded as we are... be it real enemies or things it thinks are enemies and in fact are just harmless buildings.
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Sorry to take up so much space; I hope this helps...

The times we KNOW about are in bold - my conjectures are, well, all over the place. Wink

12:01 Rob and Hawk do shots (picture from 1-18-08.com)

12:04 Rob, Jamie and Hud take a picture together (picture from 1-18-08.com).

So, party started before 1-18-08 - literally.

The FIRST ROAR, when power dims and car alarms go off, was around 12:30 - since it was what prompted them to turn on the News, and we can assume that happened fairly quickly. I say 12:30 because...

12:32 Newscast about "Earthquakes." [the time is on the t.v.]

Btw, I always assumed the first roar was made by the monster while it was still approaching the island. The "earthquakes" were not official reports - but people calling into the news station. So, I had always assumed these were impact tremors caused by the footsteps of something massive approaching Manhattan.

12:36 closeup picture of Lily and another woman (LenaDia?) looking up in horrific fascination.

This picture actually tells us a lot. It couldn't have been taken on the roof, b/c they weren't crying about anything yet, and the color/tone of the lighting in the picture seems like street-level, not rooftop. Once there's that Massive Explosion seen from the roof, things happen too fast for any pictures to have been taken. The earliest moment of relative calm would have been after the SOL's head rolled/slid to a stop in the street. I'm assuming that Lily and whoever are either looking up at the SOL's head (after it came to a stop), or they are looking up at the monster itself. Given the time-frame, I say they are looking at the SOL's head lying in the street and they can't believe it - hence, the tears, horrific fascination, etc. It's too soon for them to be looking up at the monster, which is still down near that Massive Explosion in lower Manhattan (unless the monster is really, really, really, big - which is still a possibility).

Anyway, this means that in the 4 minutes between the Newscast and the 12:36 pic., there was the Massive Explosion at the southern tip of Manhattan, followed about a minute later, by the SOL's Head getting thrown uptown. So, I would guess at the following:

12:34 - Massive Explosion seen from roof.

12:35 - SOL's Head flies uptown, rolls to a stop outside the party.

12:36 - pic. taken of Lily and someone else looking at the aftermath of the SOL's Head flying down street.

12:48 2 women stumble through a lot of dust/smoke. (the woman on the right - our right - looks like Lily to me, but can't be sure).

Note: The dust/smoke in this picture is obviously reminiscent of 9/11. I don't think the SOL's Head could account for this - so, we should expect a great deal of destruction (to buildings) between 12:36 and 12:48. This will probably be a very "insane and intense" 12 minutes.

1:24 blurry picture of soldier and people we don't recognize.

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the one problem about that, was discussed earlier, is that we dont know how long it actually took them to get to the roof and from the roof out onto the street. The camera cuts on and off constantly. For all we know the party could have started at 9pm when rob came in and then the camera goes from person to person, could have been cut off a few times so the camera guy could get in on the drinking action. The camera was cut off on the way to the roof and on the way down it flickered on and off and suddenly they were out on the street. The building is possibly more than 6 stories and the picture of the girls out on the street, maybe they were walking each other home? They werent on the roof when the explosion occured so maybe they saw it from the street. The explosion I mean and the horrified looks are natural for that sort of thing. And the women stumbling could be taken from around the area of the explosion.

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Walking each other home?! Wha...?

They were on the roof - or, at least, Lily was on the roof. Watch the Trailer again. She's got her back to the camera when that guy is talking about "tremors" - and she runs into the building just before Rob. I'm pretty sure that's her. Anyway, she was there for the newscast - she wouldn't have left the party after that to go home. Who would've taken that picture at 12:36 then? No, no way. Lily is in that picture at 12:36 and she was w/everyone else watching the news, standing on the roof, and then down in the street.

And, the fact remains that the newscast is at 12:32 and that pic. is 12:36.

The soonest plausible time that 12:36 picture could have been taken would have been after the SOL's Head came to a stop in the street. When ELSE could they have taken that picture?

And, yeah, the dusty pic. could have been other people in another part of the city, but that woman on the right sure looks like Lily to me (look at what she's wearing and look at Lily during the party).

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Oniduo
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why would someone take that picture anyway. lol

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Laughing no doubt!

Then again, in this 'day and age' people probably would be more interested in getting photos to post on the internet than running for their lives, right? Wink

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lol true...im sure the camera guy was like "omg this would look great on my myspace or facebook!!"


i'll come up with another theory about the time lapses when i get back from the campus. But horrified or not I think it'd take a bit longer than 4 minutes to come from the roof to the street. Maybe compare the girls again or something. I'll think on it some more. Sad

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I agree - it's a much shorter timespan than I had initially assumed, when watching the trailer. But, it's not impossible.

To get DOWN from the roof to the street could've easily taken less than 1 minute, since they were all sprinting, in a blind panic. So, no problem there.

Getting UP to the roof does seem a bit of a stretch. Then again, we don't know what floor the party was on - it might have been a short walk up 1 flight of stairs - could've taken 1-2 minutes, and then BOOM, big explosion, run down stairs in a blind panic, etc.

It's possible.

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Yea, again, like with every other theory, its impossible at this point to make a 100% guaranteed theory because of the lack of any workable evidence.

It is possible that they all went from the party, to the roof, to the ground again in 4 minutes... but it would be very difficult...

Also, it has been brought up that the trailer may be several different scenes. If this is the case then you cant compare the pictures to the trailer.

This is all very confusing Confused

On a side note, i know these are not any major clues, but small little CGI glitches i noticed. First, load the trailer in quicktime so you can go frame by frame. Then, watch when the SoL head FIRST appears. It looks very small, and then it almost DOUBLES in size the instant it hits the building.

Second little glitch, when the SoL head is rolling, watch when it dissapears behind the black car... when the camera pans to the right to look at it again. Notice that the SoL head just "pops" into the video again on one frame. I thought this was kinda funny. Laughing

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I suspect that stuff about the SOL's head is just what you'd catch if you watched any special effects/CGI stuff frame-by-frame.

And, while I understand that the trailer jumps around in time, we DO have some frame of reference, working w/the trailer and the pics on 1-18-08.

The fact that cannot be denied is that a picture was taken 4 minutes after the news broadcast, and in that picture, two women are shown, stunned and crying - obviously, it was taken after some disastrous event. Whether it's Lily & LenaDia or not, it still means that things happen quickly, after the initial roar, and esp. after the initial massive explosion in southern Manhattan, i.e., there's no time to rest once it starts - it's "insane and intense" (as J.J. Abrams said it would be at the SD ComiCon).

So, here's an idea for you: it's not an "overnight" movie. The monster attack may end by dawn, but our "slusho seven" may meet their end well before sunrise. Maybe it will even be in real-time (or close to it). That would be "insane and intense," and would fit with the Blair Witch style realism (a few times to stop and start the camera are fine, of course, so we could stretch it a bit beyond strict 'real time'). Maybe the first 15-20 minutes of the movie will be at the party, introducing characters, etc., and then... the first roar, and the roller coaster is off and running! And, Rob & Co.'s video footage will end just an hour or so later, w/everyone dead. Then, maybe some news clips and voiced-over 'epilogue' explaining what happened through the rest of the night and asking "what was it? where did it come from? where did it go?" etc. And, that's it. (and cue: start of ARG).

What would you think of that?

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Interesting is, the news about earthquake come immediately, in 2 minutes after roar. Perhaps, the whole szenario had began earlier, and the roar with black out was just the first thing our crew seen in that area of NY?

Because, it takes time
a) to realise "earthquake"
b) to give the message about it to the news station
c) to moderate news

(at least more than 2 minutes)

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Melampus wrote:

So, here's an idea for you: it's not an "overnight" movie. The monster attack may end by dawn, but our "slusho seven" may meet their end well before sunrise. Maybe it will even be in real-time (or close to it). That would be "insane and intense," and would fit with the Blair Witch style realism (a few times to stop and start the camera are fine, of course, so we could stretch it a bit beyond strict 'real time'). Maybe the first 15-20 minutes of the movie will be at the party, introducing characters, etc., and then... the first roar, and the roller coaster is off and running! And, Rob & Co.'s video footage will end just an hour or so later, w/everyone dead. Then, maybe some news clips and voiced-over 'epilogue' explaining what happened through the rest of the night and asking "what was it? where did it come from? where did it go?" etc. And, that's it. (and cue: start of ARG).

What would you think of that?


Yes, ARG to Sequel. I'm down, assuming the movie doesn't totally break my heart.

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kosmopol wrote:
Interesting is, the news about earthquake come immediately, in 2 minutes after roar. Perhaps, the whole szenario had began earlier, and the roar with black out was just the first thing our crew seen in that area of NY?

Because, it takes time
a) to realise "earthquake"
b) to give the message about it to the news station
c) to moderate news

(at least more than 2 minutes)


True, we don't know the specific time of the first roar and power blackout. Or, rather, we don't know the length of time between first roar and the news broadcast.

But, we do know that the first roar had to occur between 12:04 and 12:32. The picture of Rob, Hud, and Jamie is at 12:04 and the news broadcast is at 12:32, so we do have some frame of reference for the first roar. (clearly, that 12:04 picture wasn't taken after they heard the first roar).

And, 12:04 - 12:32 is not a big stretch of time, esp. at a party. In other words, we seem to be joining the party (for now, anyway) just before all hell breaks loose.

It makes sense though - imagine Jurassic Park in NYC. People would be calling in reports from the first impact tremor. And, if the thing is making noise, people would hear that and call it in too, i.e., there's no way a monster could 'sneak up' on NYC. However, if the events all unfold pretty fast - faster than the news crews can get it, make some kind of 'sense' out of it, and then report it - then it might come across just as we see in the trailer: there would be initial reports of "earthquakes" (i.e., impact tremors, as the thing advanced on Manhattan), and also of "thunderous roars." And then...

BOOM! Surprised Run for your lives, the damn thing's on top of us!!!

I keep thinking of that horrifying Tsunami footage, from Sri Lanka, that was all over the news (in 2004?). Now, THAT was a real disaster. If you haven't seen it, just search YouTube for Tsunami - you'll find it. But, be warned: it's not "cool" at all, it's incredibly disturbing. (and, if that doesn't sell it, I don't know what will! Rolling Eyes Wink ).

Anyway, the reason I point it out is because it all happens w/suprising speed - before you know it, it goes from weird, to beyond bad. There's confusion and mayhem and disaster and it all happens too quickly to make sense of - only much later can it be viewed with any kind of understanding of what the hell's going on. If this movie is going to be a Blair Witch realistic disaster movie, then it should unfold just like that - but, much MUCH bigger (and fake! so, way cool!).

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Ok, that's the good point. Perhaps the roar and blackout came 12:05 or 12:06 or so, so they've had time to switch the TV (12:32) on. That's realistic.

And really, the BlairWitchProjectian style of the movie is great - I hope, the whole movie is taken in that way (it's annoying to see catastrophic movies with good steady camera work).

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ok this could have been brought up but it just came to me, i read each page of this fast to see if anything sounds like it but i didn't see anything
why cant it go like this

moster rips head off statue, throws head, causes massive explosion and "earthquake" then swims to shore, picks up mangled head (as mentioned by someone here i'll edit and give credit) and throws it again through the smoke and that time it throws it is what we see in the trailer, it seems a bit better then the idea of swiming back out or carrying the head with it.

EDIT : mangled head theory - Oniduo, the head is rather beat up for having been just ripped off.

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