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mortality
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OK, I'm thinking that even if we figure out the way the numbers are meant to be used, I doubt that the letters will form an obvious name. So we need to figure out likely candidates for Allan to use as a title on WordPress.

I don't think it's likely that Allan would use both a foreign language and an anagram, so it will be one or the other.

Foreign languages will be tough. Other than the Finnish business card, Allan hasn't used another tongue. He did spend time in Canada, so maybe he knows French. Germain used Latin and Italian (the Rosicrucian quote plus the Umberto Eco reference). T.Petal is the one who directed us to the Spanish language store awning in Miami to find the KMQ Sunglasses blog. Thalberg is most familiar with Finnish because his girlfriend, Saarinen, is from there.

I think an anagram is more likely. Would Allan go back to biographical details as a starting point for the title? We really only know about hats, Karianne the love interest, and obscure techno groups.

FYI: if the letters pulled from the dots after using the numbers are still enciphered, he didn't use a Rot cipher.

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I'm thinking anagram or finnish. Finnish is an unusual language, in that is doesn't share a common root with other european languages. In fact, it is linguistically most similar to Korean. Why I know that and how it matters are not really clear to me, but my point is Finnish is likely to look and sound totally alien, so this jumbled mass of letters could be finnish. I'll anagram some tomorrow.

Any guess as to which method with the numbers is the way? Do you think RT was leading us to the door, and hte last counting method is the one, or do you think there is another one? Also, did he count wrong on the last one, or did I?

I've been working on PYSEORDYKSI and SYKSYKAHVIO. One is derived using + as "up" in the body of the text and the other with + as down, then adding hte second number to the letter, as RT described at the end of his twittering. The first is attractive because of the "spy," and the second is interesting because the first three letters repeat exactly in the second three, but we've been chasing some equally promising looking leads before--"enemy prevention," anyone Razz

How incredibly random is it that so many seemingly non-coincidental messages can be hidden accidentally in a text. We really are amazingly good at finding meaning in what is actually noise. So very good, indeed.
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I don't think the order in which we were given the hints matters. I think we were just being pointed in the direction.

I spent a little bit of time finding anagrams for all the possible letter sets. Nothing really stuck out. One of the letter sets has "osprey" in it. The leftovers didn't really work out. That's kind of why I want to figure out if there are some keywords from what we know about Allan that might make a solution obvious. Stuff other than Osprey, Fractal, Visage and Promis.

If we're going for Finnish then I'd expect double vowels. The most likely letter set might be the one with two "U's". I don't know how good this is, but here's a Finnish anagram solver.

This is the best English anagram solver I've found.

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more twitter

It seems it might be in POLISH....more help (?) from RT on twitter....

(I am not sure if he is helping or sending us in wrong direction)


Here is latest twitter: (Backwards order)
royalthames It's enough to make me hit myself with a slice of lime wrapped around a cinder block. about 3 hours ago from web
royalthames The person he sent the letter to must have had some idea of what he was getting at. It's just too potentially random otherwise. about 3 hours ago from web
royalthames I know he liked learning new languages (at SXSW he was trying hard to get into Polish), using all the Polish nouns he knew. about 3 hours ago from web
royalthames I wish I had some idea of what country that might be. about 3 hours ago from web
royalthames Probably in the language of the country he mentions visiting. about 3 hours ago from web
royalthames Looking back at the letter itself, I get the feeling that at least part of what he is trying to convey may be in a different language. about 3 hours ago from web

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I don't think that means it's Polish. That's just anecdotal evidence that Allan tried to pick up the language of the locations where he traveled.

The business card in his box was in Finnish. There was a map of Finland, info for Washington, and Alberta, Canada. I think we're looking for Finnish. And maybe it will be a Finnish anagram, as annoying as that is.

I had no luck finding a website after running the letter sets through the Finnish anagram solver.

Maybe the letters we get from using the numbers are still ciphered? Could the dotted letters then be used as a key?

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Although I said I had given up with this, I still check in Wink but lack the skills needed for deciphering.

Anyway I believe it was Polish mathematicians, who had early success in breaking the Enigma code www.avoca.ndirect.co.uk/enigma/index.html

I don't know if this helps in anyway.

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I agree with mortality, it has to be Finnish. Which is indeed annoying. Especially with about 5 people actively trying to solve this.
I bet if they had more players this would be done with a few hints. But it looks like it's too tough even for a larger crowd to get it in a reasonable amount of time.

Sorry, I'm not trying.

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 pendent opera interrupta

pendent opera interrupta

I have to say, I'm not too keen on trying to anagram, translate, or both a set of eleven letters that we suspect to be Finnish that we are reasonably certain are one of two possible the correct sets of eleven letters, though we may have the wrong set of letters altogether.

After spending two weeks trying to anagram or decode chunks of 11 and 50 letters into a meaningful wordpress account, I'm spent.

Anyone else had the proper motivation to try this?
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I'm pretty well spent on trying to crack it.

RoyalThames did express a wish to know which language it could possibly be. Why not feed RT that it's probably Finnish and see if that gets us anywhere?

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crypt2

Why don't we email Karla from the newspaper and ask her for help? She should be good at all kinds of language/journalist stuff. She knew Allen. And who would this message be sent to? The newspaper? They said they haven't heard from him in a long time, so who was he sending secret messages to? The only one that has been looking for Allen was tpetal aka tthorn aka royal thames ?? He seems to know the most about Allen, then why can't he solve this himself? Royal had a group of ppl look at the message, and they can't solve it, so how do they expect us to solve it?

Just kind of disgusted with the whole mess at this point.....maybe we should send it to John Green....that should get a response, or more dead bodies Smile

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I killed Twitter, haha

I left a message about finnish on Twitter.....then twitter died.... it went extremely slow, finally loaded once, now page cannot be displayed...

Zizka also left a message, but I directed mine @royalthames because he is not following any of us. So let me know if he updates any today.

R.I.P. Jeff, Allen and Twitter Smile

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the letter

The letter (crypt2) was to Germain? He says in an email "allen says I have the name of his site, but I do not"

I take it that germain has ceased all communication? Should we tell RoyalT who the letter was intended for? Germain ceased all communication and his passwords were changed on FOF....right after the laptop was taken..... I suspect germain is the next dead one...

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still thinking out loud....

This thought has been bothering me....


How did Tpetal get a copy of the message?


It was found among AP's stuff when he died, right? It was posted on Germains (Focus on Film) website. Germain has been the only one in contact through email, right? So, how would tpetal,tthorn,royalthames get this cypher?

ps: I left a message on HIAS guestbook, looking for Pete, and what languages he was good at.

Sorry to post so much, but nothing happening is worse than everything happening behind our backs. Is anyone still in contact with Perfidy?

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Re: I killed Twitter, haha

Coffeebean wrote:
I left a message about finnish on Twitter.....then twitter died.... it went extremely slow, finally loaded once, now page cannot be displayed...

Zizka also left a message, but I directed mine @royalthames because he is not following any of us. So let me know if he updates any today.

R.I.P. Jeff, Allen and Twitter Smile


My twitter post was the result of showing one of our demography grad students how twitter works. I had just been telling her about anagramming finnish, or rather *not* annagramming finnish Razz

Germain is not responding to emails. It's RT and anyone left in here; maybe we can rattle some info out of HiaS. That's a good idea. I hate that this is stalled. Probabyl frustrating for the PM, too. Crying or Very sad
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Cant wait
OW2

From the production journals it seems like they are well on their way to releasing part 2 soon.
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