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Euchre
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Be@rbrick wrote:
You're right about humans not attacking other humans for no reason. What I meant was we are the only species that kills for reasons other than food (human history is overflowing with examples). A wild animal wouldn't just attack NYC for the sake of attacking unless its food source was disrupted (possibly by Chuai Station) and it was forced to forage elsewhere (NYC) for its food supply (the secret ingredient), which is found in Slusho, is now popular in NYC.

Jane Goodall observed 'wars' between chimpanzee troops.
Female alligators will kill anything that comes too close to their nest.
Many species will kill others of their own or even similar species for invading their territory or for mating privileges.
Point being that food is not the sole reason for animals to attack.
When you talk about said creature attacking NYC because the food source (deep sea ingredient) is very popular there - how does a deep sea creature apparently incapable of diplomacy find out such information? Do the monsters of the deep have cable? It's not like following a bee to it's nest, or some such thing, our routes of production are a wee bit more complex than that.
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Euchre wrote:
Be@rbrick wrote:
You're right about humans not attacking other humans for no reason. What I meant was we are the only species that kills for reasons other than food (human history is overflowing with examples). A wild animal wouldn't just attack NYC for the sake of attacking unless its food source was disrupted (possibly by Chuai Station) and it was forced to forage elsewhere (NYC) for its food supply (the secret ingredient), which is found in Slusho, is now popular in NYC.

Jane Goodall observed 'wars' between chimpanzee troops.
Female alligators will kill anything that comes too close to their nest.
Many species will kill others of their own or even similar species for invading their territory or for mating privileges.
Point being that food is not the sole reason for animals to attack.
When you talk about said creature attacking NYC because the food source (deep sea ingredient) is very popular there - how does a deep sea creature apparently incapable of diplomacy find out such information? Do the monsters of the deep have cable? It's not like following a bee to it's nest, or some such thing, our routes of production are a wee bit more complex than that.


I don't personally believe it but some people have previously said that they thought maybe the creature can sense (possibly smell or taste in the water) that large amounts of slusho have been transported to new york.

Heres a far-out-probably-way-to-stupid-to-be-real-but-I'll-put-it-out-there-anyway-theory....
How about a slusho supply shipment en route to New York or in the waters of new york sank or rolled and the creature sensed the slusho and its secret ingredient in the water? ... Shocked

Can you tell I'm gettin desperate?

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 		Good idea actually
and
It would back up my theory of there being a wreck, maybe. A wreck could causse the stuff to fall into the sea

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Dr. Awkward wrote:
Kingpin wrote:
As for why Rob might have the recipe, if it is at his apartment, he might have simply come into possession of it through his or somebody else's travels... I have a menu from Abitino's Pizza at 733 2nd Avenue, New York on a nearby shelf that I kept as a souvenir from a trip to New York.


I was thinking along these lines as well.
Granted, this is pure speculation, but perhaps Ms Lascano's friend, Mr. Hansen has gone to work for the Tagruato Corp., and Japan was his destination concerning his being out of town.
If this is the case, we may see some supporting evidence in the upcoming Lascano video clips and potentially on some of the the Myspace pages.
This would provide a further "in" for Rob, if in fact they (Rob & Ted) are associated (and if Rob goes to work for Tagruato's marketing department, which all but a given).
Hansen may have sent this recipe, in an attempt to bolster the abundant possibilities in which Tagruato's exclusive "secret ingredient", Kaitei no mitsu (Seabed's Nectar), may be prepared,
and it's growing (recent) prevalency in the Japanese culture, and potentially, worldwide.

Tagruato...
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Interesting train of thought, Doc. Let me add a freight car or two to that train:

I'm going out on a limb here and saying that I know where Teddy Hanssen is from: Sandefjord, Norway. It's a stretch, but not *much* of one -- Hanssen is definitely a Norse name; Sandefjord is the town in Norway where the restaurant Garbanzo's (real? fictional? I dunno) is located; that's the restaurant where "Chef Nakamura" fed the "noted restaurant critic" the meal; the meal is *possibly* the one shown in the 1-18-08.com recipe.

So.
...if Chef Nakamura is preparing meals in a Norwegian restaurant that contain kaitei no mitsu...
...and kaitei no mitsu turns out to be Slusho's "secret ingredient"...
...and Teddy is from Norway....and maybe works for Tagruato...
...and Teddy ditches Jamie and New York for awhile, goes back home to Sandefjord to get his head together...and finds out about the kaitei no mitsu down at Garbanzo's...
...then Teddy might be VERY curious as to how Chef Nakamura got hold of the stuff, and why he's using it in his restaurant.

So maybe that would be a reason that Teddy would want to get that recipe, and give it to Rob and/or his bosses at Tagruato...

...eh?

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Euchre wrote:
Be@rbrick wrote:
You're right about humans not attacking other humans for no reason. What I meant was we are the only species that kills for reasons other than food (human history is overflowing with examples). A wild animal wouldn't just attack NYC for the sake of attacking unless its food source was disrupted (possibly by Chuai Station) and it was forced to forage elsewhere (NYC) for its food supply (the secret ingredient), which is found in Slusho, is now popular in NYC.

Jane Goodall observed 'wars' between chimpanzee troops.
Female alligators will kill anything that comes too close to their nest.
Many species will kill others of their own or even similar species for invading their territory or for mating privileges.
Point being that food is not the sole reason for animals to attack.
When you talk about said creature attacking NYC because the food source (deep sea ingredient) is very popular there - how does a deep sea creature apparently incapable of diplomacy find out such information? Do the monsters of the deep have cable? It's not like following a bee to it's nest, or some such thing, our routes of production are a wee bit more complex than that.


Food is not the only reason by any means, but it is the only reason that would cause an animal to seek out interaction with humans. The examples you gave are of defense mechanisms or survival tactics. Animals need to eat and they need to survive. Animals don't kill others because another doesn't think like them. An animal doesn't just attack because its "mad". I was trying to allude to the fact that if we're talking about a scientific reason for this creature to attack, then what is the reason that a creature would break from its natural habitat deep below the sea and travel hundreds of miles to attack NYC? Animals by and large avoid human contact unless their food sources are threatened or we tread into their domain and they are protecting their territory. Even if the Chuai drill disrupts this creature, I can see it attacking the drill, but not going hundreds of miles to NYC for revenge. Animals aren't capable of rational thought processes that would make them want to teach us a lesson by attacking NYC.

As I stated earlier (which was reiterating a previous theory), the monster could smell the DSI coming from the sewers of NYC. We know that Slusho is attempting to break into the US market, NYC is THE location to break a new product. We also know that the Myspacers drink Slusho. We also know you can't drink just six, which means a great deal of this is being expelled in the form of waste. Couple that with the fact that smells can travel great distances underwater and you have a possible way for the monster to get to NY from Chuai.

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 		Good point about it maybe attacking the drilling platform if it was disrupted. Maybe it did attack the drilling platform and that is why Rob is arriving to the party late, i don't know if he is but always seemed that way to me, and as some people speculate he "knows something" when the attack happens. Maybe in a meeting about the platform being destroyed there were video transmissions of the "attack/industrial accident" of an unconclusive nature and Tagruato was trying to say industrial accident but Rob saw the video transmissions of "something" not an industrial accident and put two and two together.

Just my theory. Very Happy

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Be@rbrick wrote:
Food is not the only reason by any means, but it is the only reason that would cause an animal to seek out interaction with humans. The examples you gave are of defense mechanisms or survival tactics. Animals need to eat and they need to survive. Animals don't kill others because another doesn't think like them. An animal doesn't just attack because its "mad". I was trying to allude to the fact that if we're talking about a scientific reason for this creature to attack, then what is the reason that a creature would break from its natural habitat deep below the sea and travel hundreds of miles to attack NYC? Animals by and large avoid human contact unless their food sources are threatened or we tread into their domain and they are protecting their territory. Even if the Chuai drill disrupts this creature, I can see it attacking the drill, but not going hundreds of miles to NYC for revenge. Animals aren't capable of rational thought processes that would make them want to teach us a lesson by attacking NYC.

As I stated earlier (which was reiterating a previous theory), the monster could smell the DSI coming from the sewers of NYC. We know that Slusho is attempting to break into the US market, NYC is THE location to break a new product. We also know that the Myspacers drink Slusho. We also know you can't drink just six, which means a great deal of this is being expelled in the form of waste. Couple that with the fact that smells can travel great distances underwater and you have a possible way for the monster to get to NY from Chuai.


But take this into consideration also:

The "secret ingredient" (kaitei no mitsu) seems to have as a side effect/direct effect a psychotropic element, that makes everybody happy, and possibly aggressive in some instances. Check out this quote from Vernon Macdooble, the food critic, after he ate what appears to be the kaitei no mitsu in a dish at Garbanzo's in Sandefjord, Norway:

Quote:
A feeling of great strength washed over me, as though I could take a boulder into my fist and squeeze it into a pebble. My fork became a scepter, raised high as I envisioned myself conquering the Nordic empire and laying waste to any filthy peasant who stood in my path. Glorious.


So...imagine if the monster got hold of the secret ingredient, and experienced similar feelings of "strength and conquest." It could be that the drug itself MAKES the monster Hulk out and attack New York....would have nothing to do with actual animal instincts.

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brettoniasam wrote:

But take this into consideration also:

The "secret ingredient" (kaitei no mitsu) seems to have as a side effect/direct effect a psychotropic element, that makes everybody happy, and possibly aggressive in some instances. Check out this quote from Vernon Macdooble, the food critic, after he ate what appears to be the kaitei no mitsu in a dish at Garbanzo's in Sandefjord, Norway:

Quote:
A feeling of great strength washed over me, as though I could take a boulder into my fist and squeeze it into a pebble. My fork became a scepter, raised high as I envisioned myself conquering the Nordic empire and laying waste to any filthy peasant who stood in my path. Glorious.


So...imagine if the monster got hold of the secret ingredient, and experienced similar feelings of "strength and conquest." It could be that the drug itself MAKES the monster Hulk out and attack New York....would have nothing to do with actual animal instincts.


Anything is possible at this point. What I was saying would only hold up if we assume this monster behaves like other animals and isn't enhanced or mutated in any way.

This monster could be the Godzilla equivalent to a coke head for all we know and in its search for its next eightball stumbles upon NYC.

In all seriousness, I do think the evidence points to addictive elements to Slusho. How that plays into the monster is anyone's guess at this point.

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I'm going out on a limb here and saying that I know where Teddy Hanssen is from: Sandefjord, Norway. It's a stretch, but not *much* of one -- Hanssen is definitely a Norse name; Sandefjord is the town in Norway where the restaurant Garbanzo's (real? fictional? I dunno) is located; that's the restaurant where "Chef Nakamura" fed the "noted restaurant critic" the meal; the meal is *possibly* the one shown in the 1-18-08.com recipe.


I'd say that makes a LOT of sense. Good job making the connection.

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Quote:
I'm going out on a limb here and saying that I know where Teddy Hanssen is from: Sandefjord, Norway. It's a stretch, but not *much* of one -- Hanssen is definitely a Norse name; Sandefjord is the town in Norway where the restaurant Garbanzo's (real? fictional? I dunno) is located; that's the restaurant where "Chef Nakamura" fed the "noted restaurant critic" the meal; the meal is *possibly* the one shown in the 1-18-08.com recipe.


I'd say that makes a LOT of sense. Good job making the connection.

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Be@rbrick wrote:

Food is not the only reason by any means, but it is the only reason that would cause an animal to seek out interaction with humans. The examples you gave are of defense mechanisms or survival tactics. Animals need to eat and they need to survive. Animals don't kill others because another doesn't think like them. An animal doesn't just attack because its "mad". I was trying to allude to the fact that if we're talking about a scientific reason for this creature to attack, then what is the reason that a creature would break from its natural habitat deep below the sea and travel hundreds of miles to attack NYC? Animals by and large avoid human contact unless their food sources are threatened or we tread into their domain and they are protecting their territory. Even if the Chuai drill disrupts this creature, I can see it attacking the drill, but not going hundreds of miles to NYC for revenge. Animals aren't capable of rational thought processes that would make them want to teach us a lesson by attacking NYC.

I don't suggest there's any need for rational thought for a creature disrupted from it's native habitat to go on what amounts to a rampage. I can give more examples - angered bears for one. If you've ever been around a cat or dog fight, you may have had one of the animals 'turn' on you in the heat of the fight. Ever been unfortunate enough to be near a beehive when someone else threw a rock at it? You didn't cause the problem but you are the nearest handy being to attack. Basically if you are in the path of an animal in such an angry pursuit you can become victim to an attack just because you happened to be in that path of travel. As for animals avoiding humans - most do, but the really large ones that basically know they can kill us often don't even care to avoid us. I don't think anything that can tear the head off the SoL is going to be particularly concerned with avoiding human contact.
Finally, a problem with the 'sniffing' theory - ocean currents don't run straight from the Mid-Atlantic ridge to NYC.
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 		Just a hunch-


But my first instinct was

"make sure its served cold"= revenge


either revenge on the monster or revenge on the people on whom the monster will thus be unleashed.

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nico wrote:
Just a hunch-


But my first instinct was

"make sure its served cold"= revenge


either revenge on the monster or revenge on the people on whom the monster will thus be unleashed.



ha.
another off the wall observation-


Is it just me, or do the japanese words look as though they form
a big
"EF"

?

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 		..and lastly,
maybe its my computer...

but the dish on the tray looks like it could be a brain of some sort?


haha
would a giant crab have a brain?


This all reminds me of the movie
"attack of the crab monsters"

...and funnily enough, that movie reminds me of "lost" as well
(the characters are stranded on an island after their plane explodes....and the "monster" on THAT island is an intelligent mutated crab monster lol)



Anyhow-
The tasmanian giant crab is also known as the Giant DeepWater crab..
they can grow up to lie 40 or 50 pounds I think.




and then
there is the frightening
Giant Japanese Spider Crab
whose legs can span about 15 feet
and who can also weigh about 50 pounds...






I still think its REVENGE to be served
cold, though

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 		and last but not least-





The statue of liberty seems to be a focal point in the promotion of 1-18-08



.....and remember the lone foot on "Lost"?


<a>Image Hosted by ImageShack.us</a><br><a></a>
well-



Lookie look at what the
foot of tha
Statue of Liberty looks like:





dun dun dunnnnnnnn



*shrug*

simillar.
curious.



Also-
They have those mysterious submarines and underground hubs on Lost...
could be mining for "secret ingredient" haha.....

and also,
they seem to have some sort of super-immunity on that island,
could be the secret ingredient?

I don't know, I just think it's possible that it all works together.

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